War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
How so? Ras is likely right. They have immense resources and dont want to be part of the globo-homo western death cult system. Problem is, a good portion of Russia's younger generation does want to be part of that system.
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If you had to pick one of the two, which system do you prefer?
 
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volgr said:
I'd love to see Russia win that internal culture battle. Obviously, Conservatives were easily routed on the cultural battlefield here in the US.
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Well, now that the social media companies have removed themselves from Russia, they have a far better chance of pushing a more traditional/non-woke culture over there than we do over here.

After what I've seen over the last few years with the conservative movement here, I'm beginning to lose hope on them ever realizing that politics is downstream of culture. I don't think the conservative movement really understands the role culture plays in our politics. I've gone over this numerous times in here already and it gets depressing looking at the direction we are heading in and looking at the comments and thoughts of some of the people in here.
 
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volgr said:
You guys look at Russia through American eyes. A lot of them dont want or value what we do here in the US.
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That's not at all what we're talking about. We're talking about Russia's ability to function independently of Europe. They are about to realize that they can't.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well, now that the social media companies have removed themselves from Russia, they have a far better chance of pushing a more traditional/non-woke culture over there than we do over here.

After what I've seen over the last few years with the conservative movement here, I'm beginning to lose hope on them ever realizing that politics is downstream of culture. I don't think the conservative movement really understands the role culture plays in our politics. I've gone over this numerous times in here already and it gets depressing looking at the direction we are heading in and looking at the comments and thoughts of some of the people in here.
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Yeah, in a way, the sanctions are helping Putin de-westernize Russia. What happens when the Russian people realize they are better off without it?

Here in the US, until the Church gets it head out of its ass, the Conservative movement will remain small.
 
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tvolsfan said:
That's not at all what we're talking about. We're talking about Russia's ability to function independently of Europe. They are about to realize that they can't.
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Then why didn't you say that? Your comment was about them being a regional power. I don't think Russia, or at least their citizens, have any care to be a world superpower.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well, now that the social media companies have removed themselves from Russia, they have a far better chance of pushing a more traditional/non-woke culture over there than we do over here.

After what I've seen over the last few years with the conservative movement here, I'm beginning to lose hope on them ever realizing that politics is downstream of culture. I don't think the conservative movement really understands the role culture plays in our politics. I've gone over this numerous times in here already and it gets depressing looking at the direction we are heading in and looking at the comments and thoughts of some of the people in here.
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Raz, I keep hearing the quote that politics is downstream of culture and it sounds good but I’m not sure that I buy it. I think a lot of our culture has been manufactured and delivered top down through media and politicians. For instance
-Americans were largely non-interventionist before ww1 and even in ww2 before the war economy bought and financed media and politicians. Americans over the past 60 years have been cheering on the state seeking dragons to slay and if you’re against it you’re a traitor or (insert name)_______ lover/apologist.
California had a ballot initiative to ban gay marriage and was overturned by the judiciary. It is now unthinkable to question gay marriage even in National Review.
The affordable care act was passed with the slimmest margins, less than 50% popular support and resulted in the democrats losing the house but is now popular with over half the population. Same for Medicare, ss.

I think the issue is that conservative constituents have no understanding of power. The goal of power ( besides power itself) is to mold society and create or destroy the institutions to further that molding of culture, something that neo-liberal, progressives have excelled at. Conservative leaders have not only refused to destroy these institutions that work against their constituents but have buttressed them and created more of them ex.(Reagan promised to destroy the Department of Education, Bush-Homeland Security, Nixon-EPA)
The Stasi was ended by paying them off with a pension. They just went home and collected a check. It’s going to take someone willing to do that here to the army of federal bureaucrats. You just tell them to go home, get paid and don’t show up at work anymore.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
1. Hope that midterms fall in the favor of GOP and get a new speaker of the house
2. Send Kamala on another trip after new congress is in place in January 2023 and allow her to be Ron Brown-ed
3. GOP congress impeaches Biden
4. New speaker of house becomes POTUS
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Trump is one of few in the GOP who support a sane foreign policy. Unfortunately, doing all of the above will matter little so far as foreign policy is concerned. Kevin McCarthy wouldn't deviate from Biden in his handling of Russia/Ukraine and he actually may make it worse.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yep, just like the Confederate States were part of the US. What happened when they decided to leave?
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They didn't leave, so you now agree that Russia interfered with a sovereign nation and then invaded that nation, and that your scenario was indeed apples and oranges to the one I provided yet you claimed equivalent.....
 
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midnight orange said:
I think the issue is that conservative constituents have no understanding of power. The goal of power ( besides power itself) is to mold society and create or destroy the institutions to further that molding of culture, something that neo-liberal, progressives have excelled at. Conservative leaders have not only refused to destroy these institutions that work against their constituents but have buttressed them and created more of them ex.(Reagan- Department of Education).
The Stasi was ended by paying them off with a pension. They just went home and collected a check. It’s going to take someone willing to do that here to the army of federal bureaucrats here. You just tell them to go home, get paid and don’t show up at work anymore.
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Let's be honest, most people don't actually want to be conservative, which is why there aren't many actual conservatives left.
 
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volgr said:
Let's be honest, most people don't actually want to be conservative, which is why there aren't many actual conservatives left.
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William F. Buckley excommunicated what was left of the Old-Right that was principled on the Constitution and non-intervention and helped to merge conservatism with the mic.
 
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