War in Ukraine

[LouderVol]

The nuke is basically unusable because if they do it they're toast. Having nukes only helps them in a defensive way.

Just waiting from 2014 until 2022 made a huge difference. Waiting even 10 more years for them to possibly join NATO or continue to acquire western weaponery isnt worth it.

Yeah because NATO has a history of attacking Russia.....

 

[USF grad in TN]

You can't just turn those skills on and off like a light switch. Obviously, we can make socks, but I'm speaking on a larger scale. There are just too many things that we have outsourced that will take years to reestablish here because the technical know-how is gone.

I agree. We need to get on it. The US created financial incentives for companies to move strategically important industries to other potentially unfriendly countries, and we call them unpatriotic for doing what our government pushed them to do.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Got anymore of them sanctions…

First off, have they got enough port facilities for LNG deliveries? How long will that take to build.

Next, LNG is not cheaper and does not provide a more stable supply than pipeline gas.

Lastly, LNG is priced in the spot market, similar to how oil is priced, unlike with pipeline gas where you can lock in long term rates. So Europe would be at the mercy of competing with the open market trying to buy LNG against other buyers and paying a much higher rate, rather than cutting out the nonsense and being good neighbors with Russia and getting cheap and reliable gas.

 

[USF grad in TN]

Reduced dependence on Russian energy, yet far higher prices and less stable supply from the US.

I agree. It's the price they will pay for making bad decisions in the past. It's potentially a way to keep going while they figure out a better plan.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I've not heard of any widespread shortages here, can't say the same for Russia.

You haven't heard of Bare Shelves Biden? Interesting. Ask about construction supply materials to anyone in the industry.

And I'm sure any shortages in Russia you may have heard about are exaggerations from our corrupt azz media.

 

[allvol123]

Ras morning blitz. Drink it up folks. Russia is the bestest, smartest, most righteous place on the planet.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I agree. It's the price they will pay for making bad decisions in the past. It's potentially a way to keep going while they figure out a better plan.

It isn't an immediate solution, however. They don't have enough LNG port facilities and there are not enough ships available right now. This is a 3-5 year solution to just address the supply issues. But that still doesn't address costs. What is Europe going to do this coming winter? Or hell, this summer when they will need energy to run their generating stations?

 

[hog88]

First off, have they got enough port facilities for LNG deliveries? How long will that take to build.

Next, LNG is not cheaper and does not provide a more stable supply than pipeline gas.

Lastly, LNG is priced in the spot market, similar to how oil is priced, unlike with pipeline gas where you can lock in long term rates. So Europe would be at the mercy of competing with the open market trying to buy LNG against other buyers and paying a much higher rate, rather than cutting out the nonsense and being good neighbors with Russia and getting cheap and reliable gas.

If you’re going to be dumb and not use your own resources you’re going to pay.

 

[KB5252]

You haven't heard of Bare Shelves Biden? Interesting. Ask about construction supply materials to anyone in the industry.

And I'm sure any shortages in Russia you may have heard about are exaggerations from our corrupt azz media.

I've heard Russians are feeling the pinch, I don't watch much news but I've seen some articles posted here and from some first hand accounts posted here.

The bare shelves were last year and a little earlier in the year, but that was due to logistical issues no? Looks like you're doing every bit the exaggerating.

 

[USF grad in TN]

It isn't an immediate solution, however. They don't have enough LNG port facilities and there are not enough ships available right now. This is a 3-5 year solution to just address the supply issues. But that still doesn't address costs. What is Europe going to do this coming winter? Or hell, this summer when they will need energy to run their generating stations?

They could start by delaying the complete shutdown of nuclear power.

 

[NCFisher]

I think one aspect often missed is that the German Nazis were not simply antisemitic, but Aryan with a hierarchy of races (even within "white" ones) with the Teutonic Germany at the apogee. In the same way, it seems to me that the term "Nazi" being used for Ukraine groups are Aryan nationalists who hate "white" Poles and Russians mostly. Jews and the rest are of less concern really. So its some sort of Aryanism mixed in cultural nationalism.

People like simple labels though, especially when they can tar their enemies with disparaging ones.

Good point. I promise this is going somewhere:

I've noted a number of times is that nationalism is primary ingredient for keeping a society stable and preventing balkanization. And highlight the logical contradiction of the left gushing over "Top 10 Best Nations to Live" lists; they're all predominantly white Euro or descendant countries. Some remained that way due to geography, others with geography and 'whites only' immigration policy that lasted into the mid-20th century. Aside from imported slave and indentured labor from Africa and China, Asia early on, we had dense migrations of white Europeans who, despite their language and unique cultural attributes, had fundamental similarities (primarily Christian or Catholic religion) that was a binding agent. And they coalesced under a promise of being citizen in a constitutional republic based upon individual rights that a democratic mob can't vote away from the individual. Immigrants, contrary to narrative, didn't make this country; that Constitution did.

I want the U.S. to work. I want the (gag!) 'multicultural' experiment to somehow pull through. But according to the left we're not just racist, but based upon a white supremacist constitution and society is hardly better than when the ports of NY, MA, RI were the epicenter of the British colonial Atlantic slave trade. I'm bearish on the multicultural utopia; if it doesn't work here, it isn't going to work anywhere.

That observation has provoked more tiresome 'racist!' and 'bigot!' accusations than I care to remember. Perhaps multicultural vacationing and trade are best, rather than trying to shoehorn populaces together and diluting the society to accommodate cultural allegiances.

Which is a long-winded way of saying even ultranationalists are not wrong to have a deep skepticism or conviction that ethnic homogeneity is unnecessary for establishing a country or keeping it. Conquering nations have always understood this and attempted to mitigate or erase ethnic culture to assimilate the conquered. It's ugly, but practical and I understand it. That's not saying groups like Azov are good guys because they're not Nazis, and may have aspects of similar Aryan-based belief. But they were created to shore up a deficient Ukrainian army in the Donbas region against Russian annexation of another chunk of the country. I wouldn't have to subscribe to whatever ultranationalists believe except a shared nationalism, to appreciate their killing invaders of our mutual home were it here.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

 

[volgr]

This is beyond propaganda and bordering on mental illness.

How so? Ras is likely right. They have immense resources and dont want to be part of the globo-homo western death cult system. Problem is, a good portion of Russia's younger generation does want to be part of that system.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Have Kamala resign, resign himself before nominating a new VP and allowing karate chop Karen Pelosi to reign the world. That's our top 3 leaders in what used to be a great country. God help us.

1. Hope that midterms fall in the favor of GOP and get a new speaker of the house
2. Send Kamala on another trip after new congress is in place in January 2023 and allow her to be Ron Brown-ed
3. GOP congress impeaches Biden
4. New speaker of house becomes POTUS

 

[volgr]

Donbas wanted to break away from the puppet Kiev regime in 2014 after the US lead coup.

Zelensky should have compared himself to Abe Lincoln in his speech. Excuse my tyranny, I'm just trying to hold this Country together.

 

[luthervol]

How so? Ras is likely right. They have immense resources and dont want to be part of the globo-homo western death cult system. Problem is, a good portion of Russia's younger generation does want to be part of that system.

If you had to pick one of the two, which system do you prefer?

 

[luthervol]

Zelensky should have compared himself to Abe Lincoln in his speech. Excuse my tyranny, I'm just trying to hold this Country together.

He will be remembered as is Lincoln.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

How so? Ras is likely right. They have immense resources and dont want to be part of the globo-homo western death cult system. Problem is, a good portion of Russia's younger generation does want to be part of that system.

Maybe...
These sanctions and the social media shutdowns and lunacy just made it easier for Putin to make his case to those younger folks that The West simply hates them. The very people these globalists need in Russia to help stage a colour revolution are the very ones they are alienating right now.

 

[volgr]

Yeah because NATO has a history of attacking Russia.....

Sanctions are a form of attack, so yes, they have a long history.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

He will be remembered as is Lincoln.

He will be remembered as Jar Jar Binks.

 

[tvolsfan]

How so? Ras is likely right. They have immense resources and dont want to be part of the globo-homo western death cult system. Problem is, a good portion of Russia's younger generation does want to be part of that system.

It's because Russia's current status is that of failing regional power growing less important by the day. They are wholly dependent on exporting to Europe for their economy to function at all, at Vova has botched that as well. Russia needs Putin's generation to die out.

 

[volgr]

Maybe...
These sanctions and the social media shutdowns and lunacy just made it easier for Putin to make his case to those younger folks that The West simply hates them. The very people these globalists need in Russia to help stage a colour revolution are the very ones they are alienating right now.

I'd love to see Russia win that internal culture battle. Obviously, Conservatives were easily routed on the cultural battlefield here in the US.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Russia was every bit as complicit in that. Was the Donbas part of Ukraine?

Yep, just like the Confederate States were part of the US. What happened when they decided to leave?