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Slydell said:
A super star coach like the ones that were hired for the football team?
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I would argue that TN Lady Vols basketball is more of coaches dream job than TN Football....

I think if we threw the position to 4 or 5 of the coaches currently ranked in the top 10 that they'd jump without hesitation.
 
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utkCREW said:
I would argue that TN Lady Vols basketball is more of coaches dream job than TN Football....

I think if we threw the position to 4 or 5 of the coaches currently ranked in the top 10 that they'd jump without hesitation.
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What would be the incentive? Most, if not all of them, are making more money than Holly at their current schools. Plus, why would they want to leave a program ranked in the top ten to coach a team that may not be ranked at all later this week? Had the offer come when Summitt first stepped down and Tennessee was still on top, then maybe. But with the current state of the Tennessee WCBB program, what would those top ten coaches have to gain? I just don't see it happening.
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
Holly has a contract. Nothing is going to change until her contract runs out. It would be too expensive to buy her out. 10,000 fans yesterday means revenue for the school. A nationally televised game on ESPN2 means more revenue for the school. It's all about the almighty dollar people, not the win-loss record.
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before long. Hart has made some terrible decisions with Warlick, who is running the program into the ground. Did he give her an extension a year or two ago? Good grief...
 
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utkCREW said:
...I think if we threw the position to 4 or 5 of the coaches currently ranked in the top 10 that they'd jump without hesitation.
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Why do you believe this? What evidence is there for this assertion?
 
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One could easily find 20 very good head basketball coaches--young, dynamic--who would be eager to coach at UT. There might be a small number of established coaches who want the job--but established coaches are just that, established at their current programs, and most would be inclined NOT to leave their current positions. Our next coach might come from say, a mid-major where he or she has over-achieved--or maybe the WNBA or maybe the Ivy League. A lot of successful coaches start in the Ivies. There are a lot of very good coaches in the country.
 
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utkCREW said:
I would argue that TN Lady Vols basketball is more of coaches dream job than TN Football....

I think if we threw the position to 4 or 5 of the coaches currently ranked in the top 10 that they'd jump without hesitation.
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Here is the ESPN top 10:

1 Notre Dame
2 Connecticut
3 South Carolina
4 Baylor
5 Maryland
6 Mississippi State
7 Louisville
8 Florida State
9 Ohio State
10 UCLA

IMO no head coach on this list is leaving their school for TN.

Assistant coaches are a different matter. I don't know the assistants so maybe one of them leaves. But 4 or 5 of the HC's at these schools? Not much of a chance IMO.
 
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brassie said:
Shea Ralph?
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While she comes from a program with a great winning tradition as a player and assistant coach, she has no experience as a head coach(sound familiar?)... you have no idea if she would be a good head coach or not...

She could end up being an good head coach, but I would think this program would be better off, at this point, with an established head coach.
 
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xhunt3r said:
While she comes from a program with a great winning tradition as a player and assistant coach, she has no experience as a head coach(sound familiar?)... you have no idea if she would be a good head coach or not...

She could end up being an good head coach, but I would think this program would be better off, at this point, with an established head coach.
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They have an established head coach. How's that working out?

Ralph has proven to be a good recruiter and an excellent back court coach, something the LVs desperately need and she's learning from the best coach in WCBB.

I suspect that it would be very difficult to get her out of Storrs though. My guess is that she as an eye on Auriemma's job when he retires.
 
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I wish we could get Kim Mulkey, because she loved Pat and because of that is probably, on some level, upset that the program is sliding.

She'd have what it takes to coach up whomever is left by Holly, plus being able to get great players to come to Knoxville would likely be much easier than it has been for her to get them to Waco.
 
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It surprises me... How long will ya'll give the new coach to make it to a final four, 1, 2, 3, 4, years or would they need more time before u are asking for them to be fired?

How many coaches have come in a won A championship or Final 4 first to four years besides Kim?

Wuteva. Lady Vols are safe with Holly, we just gotta get tougher. Baylor has had more talent, still only made it to the elite 8 or sweet sixteen the last four years. wuteva?
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
Holly has a contract. Nothing is going to change until her contract runs out. It would be too expensive to buy her out. 10,000 fans yesterday means revenue for the school. A nationally televised game on ESPN2 means more revenue for the school. It's all about the almighty dollar people, not the win-loss record.
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I don't understand how colleges buy out men coaches' contracts, for millions of dollars, but allow a bad Lady basketball coach to stay in place because they are concerned about the buyout expense. A good new coach with the talent we presently have, and that coming in, will bring in more fans and produce a product that the nation will be excited to see. If the Lady Vols continue to go downhill, the crowds will get smaller and national tv time will be less. The Lady Vol brand is still a viable product but how long will that exist if the program heads south?
 
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PineyBluff Vol said:
Slydell, I have noticed most of your comments defending our so-called-coach, almost to the point of blind loyalty. You need to open your eyes and see that who ever we get as a head coach will be so much better that what we have now.
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Piney, read your post and tell me you don't really mean that. Whoever we get would be better? That opens up a wide field. I like Holly and support her efforts. If she would go back in time and remember how she played and her mindset and hold the team absolutely accountable to those same goals, I think we would see a huge improvement. I fear that she might be a victim of the Peter Principle. There are better coaches out there. Could we get them here? I don't know. IMO, Butch Jones is in the same position. It seems that he's full up on coach speak in an effort to keep fans informed as to what he thinks they want to hear. From what I've seen and read about Jones is that his teams at Cincy came out of the tunnel looking for a slobber knocker of a game. They were ready to be in your face all game, win or lose. If he can get back to how he created or coached that will to battle, it improves his chances of success here. Back the the LV's, the players and teams from 6 or so years were ready to do battle. They always laid it on the line. I think many played above their ability because of how Pat crafted the mental and physical training.
 
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LVJeff said:
Here is the ESPN top 10:

1 Notre Dame
2 Connecticut
3 South Carolina
4 Baylor
5 Maryland
6 Mississippi State
7 Louisville
8 Florida State
9 Ohio State
10 UCLA

IMO no head coach on this list is leaving their school for TN.


Assistant coaches are a different matter. I don't know the assistants so maybe one of them leaves. But 4 or 5 of the HC's at these schools? Not much of a chance IMO.
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The Miss. State coach would probably take the UT job--MUCH higher profile. Top five, no. Bottom 4, you might get some interest if UT offered a substantial raise. Otherwise, probably not unless somebody was unhappy with current situation. That's not to say that we'd want any/all of the bottom four. There are surely a bunch of good mid-major coaches out there, not to mention majors with a slightly lower profile. Hart could easily find a strong group of candidates--and he damn well better be looking.
 
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Slydell said:
Piney, read your post and tell me you don't really mean that. Whoever we get would be better? That opens up a wide field. I like Holly and support her efforts. If she would go back in time and remember how she played and her mindset and hold the team absolutely accountable to those same goals, I think we would see a huge improvement. I fear that she might be a victim of the Peter Principle. There are better coaches out there. Could we get them here? I don't know. IMO, Butch Jones is in the same position. It seems that he's full up on coach speak in an effort to keep fans informed as to what he thinks they want to hear. From what I've seen and read about Jones is that his teams at Cincy came out of the tunnel looking for a slobber knocker of a game. They were ready to be in your face all game, win or lose. If he can get back to how he created or coached that will to battle, it improves his chances of success here. Back the the LV's, the players and teams from 6 or so years were ready to do battle. They always laid it on the line. I think many played above their ability because of how Pat crafted the mental and physical training.
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PS made her name, and this program's name, mostly in the early years of women's basketball. The game passed her by because she didn't know how to coach offense and recruiting fell off. There simply weren't very many good teams when she coached--no more than 5-10 that could compete with us. Nowadays, there are a LOT of good teams, teams are MUCH better offensively than they were 20 years ago--especially with the trey. And there are a lot of well-coached teams. You'd better have both talent AND great coaching to win. Warlick still has a 1970/1980s mentality.
 
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Katie Abrahamson-Henderson ( formally of u Albany) just took the head coaching job at UCF. She won 5 conference titles in a row.... made the NCAA tournament the last two years and one first round match last year..... she would have been a great new options for us.
 
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armchair said:
PS made her name, and this program's name, mostly in the early years of women's basketball. The game passed her by because she didn't know how to coach offense and recruiting fell off. There simply weren't very many good teams when she coached--no more than 5-10 that could compete with us. Nowadays, there are a LOT of good teams, teams are MUCH better offensively than they were 20 years ago--especially with the trey. And there are a lot of well-coached teams. You'd better have both talent AND great coaching to win. Warlick still has a 1970/1980s mentality.
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We know you think Pat wasn't the best offensive minded coach and how the competition wasn't as good then as it is now.... you remind us of that quite often in your posts.
 
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teacherdean said:
LV basketball has become so bad and embarrassing, that you have to watch the games at home with a bag over your head. Have you noticed that the home games are being attended by less fans?
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LVJeff said:
Here is the ESPN top 10:

1 Notre Dame
2 Connecticut
3 South Carolina
4 Baylor
5 Maryland
6 Mississippi State
7 Louisville
8 Florida State
9 Ohio State
10 UCLA

IMO no head coach on this list is leaving their school for TN.

Assistant coaches are a different matter. I don't know the assistants so maybe one of them leaves. But 4 or 5 of the HC's at these schools? Not much of a chance IMO.
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I would bet Kevin McGuff at Ohio State and possibly Vic Schaefer would jump ship for Tenn. Frankly I would not take Kevin McGuff here at Tenn. IMO, he's a sleaze ball. If there's a recruit out there that is good...it means bringing Father/Mother to be assistant coach.
 
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armchair said:
The Miss. State coach would probably take the UT job--MUCH higher profile. Top five, no. Bottom 4, you might get some interest if UT offered a substantial raise. Otherwise, probably not unless somebody was unhappy with current situation. That's not to say that we'd want any/all of the bottom four. There are surely a bunch of good mid-major coaches out there, not to mention majors with a slightly lower profile. Hart could easily find a strong group of candidates--and he damn well better be looking.
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Re the MSU coach, I think Vic Schaefer is a great coach, but he's 57 years old and I would rather have a younger coach at the helm of the Tennessee Lady Vols.
 
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