Warlick

[LVJeff]

Any source that they wouldn't be willing? I was responding to the notion that none of them would dream of coming ... which is a rather ridiculous statement.

ETA: Those are also the ones that are less established at their schools.

I never said they wouldn't dream of coming, I don't know who said dream but I simply said IMO no head coach would leave for TN. But no, I have no sources, it was just an opinion.

 

[OldMikey]

She has earned one more season. The new AD may have someone in mind. Jane Albright has a good reputation. Unlike other programs, we can be confident in multiple good resumes due to returning talent, administrative support and the coach after the coach that follows a legend is always under less pressure.

 

[madtownvol]

She has earned one more season. The new AD may have someone in mind. Jane Albright has a good reputation. Unlike other programs, we can be confident in multiple good resumes due to returning talent, administrative support and the coach after the coach that follows a legend is always under less pressure.

See that is the problem; the grass may look greener from a distance but when you get close you realize it is filled with poison ivy and thistles. Jane Albright literally got run out of Wisconsin. She took over a program that had a good foundation but was under performing. And she had good success in her first 2 years (I think the players responded to the change from a very autocratic coach). But Albright was a poor, make that terrible recruiter who was even worse at player development. Her teams came to be known for lackluster effort; horrific defending; and a one-on-one, me, me, me style of offense. She also got on the wrong side of the administration with Diva behaviors, like demanding that she could bring her dog to freakin' practices.

I would take Holly over Jane Albright any day of the week.

 

[PineyBluff Vol]

Piney, read your post and tell me you don't really mean that. Whoever we get would be better? That opens up a wide field. I like Holly and support her efforts. If she would go back in time and remember how she played and her mindset and hold the team absolutely accountable to those same goals, I think we would see a huge improvement. I fear that she might be a victim of the Peter Principle. There are better coaches out there. Could we get them here? I don't know. IMO, Butch Jones is in the same position. It seems that he's full up on coach speak in an effort to keep fans informed as to what he thinks they want to hear. From what I've seen and read about Jones is that his teams at Cincy came out of the tunnel looking for a slobber knocker of a game. They were ready to be in your face all game, win or lose. If he can get back to how he created or coached that will to battle, it improves his chances of success here. Back the the LV's, the players and teams from 6 or so years were ready to do battle. They always laid it on the line. I think many played above their ability because of how Pat crafted the mental and physical training.

Good points Sly, the problem with the Ladies program is that there is no fire starter in the coaching staff. How many times have you seen Holly get in a players face and tell them they did something wrong. I see Butch constantly demanding his players to do things when they are on the sideline. I have yet to see Holly show emotion directed at the player the way Pat did.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Good points Sly, the problem with the Ladies program is that there is no fire starter in the coaching staff. How many times have you seen Holly get in a players face and tell them they did something wrong. I see Butch constantly demanding his players to do things when they are on the sideline. I have yet to see Holly show emotion directed at the player the way Pat did.

As well she shouldn't. . . Given CHW's personality, I'm not sure it would come across as inspiring, I am afraid it would come across as her post-game presser talks do....

On that sideline, the athlete that comes off the court after under-performing needs to hear "IT" from the right influence. . . .An Alpha coach or role model can inspire with the exact same words that would sound "pleading" from most anyone else.

 

[Voldon18]

Herein lies the issue: Holly was never the Alpha coach for three full decades. She was an extremely tough player, but was Pat's shadow for so long as an assistant coach.

Maybe Holly should consider bringing in a tough, no-nonsense assistant to be the main disciplinarian. Holly can continue to be "friend" ... the role she played for Pat. This task master must be an outsider, non-former LV in any way. Scare these young ladies into playing better. Fear of sitting the bench should always motivate. If you don't want to be on the floor, especially on the Summitt, you don't belong here.

Demand excellence, Holly.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Herein lies the issue: Holly was never the Alpha coach for three full decades. She was an extremely tough player, but was Pat's shadow for so long as an assistant coach.

Maybe Holly should consider bringing in a tough, no-nonsense assistant to be the main disciplinarian. Holly can continue to be "friend" ... the role she played for Pat. This task master must be an outsider, non-former LV in any way. Scare these young ladies into playing better. Fear of sitting the bench should always motivate. If you don't want to be on the floor, especially on the Summitt, you don't belong here.

Demand excellence, Holly.

Just like in a business...
Some employees work best with an occasional compliment and a slap on the back…Some need a constant kick in the butt, still others work perfectly with no outside influence of any kind.

NO, its not about scaring them, it is about reading them.

I would coach DD vastly differently, compared to A\M

 

[smokey0625]

Hire utc's coach. Seems to beat us every year or at leadr multiple times over tge past 5 seasons. They are really solid.
Well i just researched, he's a bit older. Prolly not the direction I'd head.

 

[1CHATTVOL]

One could easily find 20 very good head basketball coaches--young, dynamic--who would be eager to coach at UT. There might be a small number of established coaches who want the job--but established coaches are just that, established at their current programs, and most would be inclined NOT to leave their current positions. Our next coach might come from say, a mid-major where he or she has over-achieved--or maybe the WNBA or maybe the Ivy League. A lot of successful coaches start in the Ivies. There are a lot of very good coaches in the country.

And we would roll the dice on an unproven mid-major when we have in place right now a coach with this resume -

•Tennessean
•UT grad
•Jersey in the rafters
•LIFETIME of TN coaching & service
•Pat Summitt blessing
•27 wins/season
•3 SEC Titles
•4 Elite 8's
•1 Sweet 16
•Salary at half that of her peers
•#1 recruiting class signed

I think HW is far from perfect, but I also think we should be very very cautious because we could do so much worse.

 

[Coach Jumper]

And we would roll the dice on an unproven mid-major when we have in place right now a coach with this resume -

•Tennessean
•UT grad
•Jersey in the rafters
•LIFETIME of TN coaching & service
•Pat Summitt blessing
•27 wins/season
•3 SEC Titles
•4 Elite 8's
•1 Sweet 16
•Salary at half that of her peers
•#1 recruiting class signed

I think HW is far from perfect, but I also think we should be very very cautious because we could do so much worse.

Chatt,

Its not that "I" don;t think HW can coach at all.
In fact, I believe there is a great deal of knowledge in her. Where she has failed to me, is to not bring on someone who can reach the players. You can't lose the emotional leader (Pat) and simply not replace the influence.

The girls look to the sideline and see Pat and their game immediately elevates. This is what is missing. And if Holly, Jollette, Sharona or Dean doesn't have the innate ability to be this influence,

I know someone who can!

 

[rockingchairvol]

She has been in retirement system for enough years to retire. She will get good retirement and can spend time with her animals and hobbies. It is time for a change.

 

[madtownvol]

Thank heavens that we have finally had a thread on this board where people could complain about Holly. All these years and no one has had an opportunity to proclaim that Holly can't coach and that she is guiding the program to oblivion. If only posters had been able to complain about Holly, all this horror (the children! the children!) could have been avoided., Why oh why has no one complained before?

 

[gule]

I've flipped to the "Keep Holly" column.

I mean, who wants to watch a game when you already know your team is going to win by 30 pts and get all the best players and have the refs and the media kissing your ring fingers. Let those U conners keep gee no.

I like uncertainty in sports.



lol

 

[Bah Humbug]

And we would roll the dice on an unproven mid-major when we have in place right now a coach with this resume -

•Tennessean
•UT grad
•Jersey in the rafters
•LIFETIME of TN coaching & service
•Pat Summitt blessing
•27 wins/season
•3 SEC Titles
•4 Elite 8's
•1 Sweet 16
•Salary at half that of her peers
•#1 recruiting class signed

I think HW is far from perfect, but I also think we should be very very cautious because we could do so much worse.

We also could do much, much better...

 

[Bah Humbug]

Pat's goal was the final four just as is every other coach out there and even Pat didn't get there every year. That's the thing. People act like we were there every year with Pat as coach and we weren't. We were there a lot but not close to every year. Pat went to 18 Final Fours out of 38 years and she was one of the greatest ever.

So now we can go to zero final fours and that's ok? With the teams Warlick has had we should have been to 3 final fours. She just can't coach them to that level.

 

[Bah Humbug]

Keep Jolette but Dean can go

Better yet take Holly...

 

[1CHATTVOL]

We also could do much, much better...

Yes, yes indeed.