Was it even worth it Tressel?

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goooooovols said:
Hey did anyone else catch Jon Grudens comment last night during the draft.....they were talking about Cameron Heyward being picked and Gruden says...."I just got done spending a week at Ohio State and they raved about Heyward..." something to that effect, now why was he in Columbus for???
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I doubt he wants the job. Not at a school that will be behind the 8 ball.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I think a lot more coaches would actually prefer the NFL. College coaches may be treated like Kings, but they still have to recruit, deal with boosters, etc. The NFL also offers more money and is simply the highest level. Winning the Super Bowl beats winning a national title. If you're looking for a reason for most of those guys coming back to college, I'd point to the difficulty level for the main reason.
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But the bigger question in this case is do you think it was worth it for Tressel to risk everything with no benefit in sight?
 
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volberry said:
Yeah, you got a point I never thought about. Even coaches who are honest are emperor like. Look at Joepa. How do you tell your bosses they can't fire you and you will quit when you fee like it. This was when he was losing every year. So yeah it's very easy to think you are untouchable. Especially if you are the reason the program is making tons of money and is a top 5 program. It may be a little different if you inherit a good program. But In Tressels case he fits all the criteria to get the big head and he totally deserves to be fired, forced to resign, ran out of cfb, whatever they feel is right. Coaches have to learn they are not kings or emperors.
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JoePa was granted tenure in his job. In essence, they gave him the power to tell almost anyone they couldn't fire him.
 
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goooooovols said:
Hey did anyone else catch Jon Grudens comment last night during the draft.....they were talking about Cameron Heyward being picked and Gruden says...."I just got done spending a week at Ohio State and they raved about Heyward..." something to that effect, now why was he in Columbus for???
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Gruden isn't ever going to coach College level.

He made ver clear in his book he loved coaching at that level, and absolutely despised recruiting. Couldn't stand it, which is why he was so eager to jump to the pros. He's a work-a-holic, but doesn't like the travel or pandering to high school kids.
 
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glhal2814 said:
Gruden isn't ever going to coach College level.

He made ver clear in his book he loved coaching at that level, and absolutely despised recruiting. Couldn't stand it, which is why he was so eager to jump to the pros. He's a work-a-holic, but doesn't like the travel or pandering to high school kids.
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More coaches feel that way about college. Many new recruits have a sense of entitlement because they have been blown up by camps, rankings and people in their ear. Parents are harder to deal with, and then you have the "handlers". It's really a mess.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Hubris, same as Pearl. Being a highly regarded college coach is like being a little emperor. It's why Saban came back; it's why Bobby Petrino's tiny nutsack shriveled and tightened up when he was asked to coach real men in a real city and he went shrieking back into the boondocks. Successful big-school college coaches are used to getting everything they want from almost everybody they meet. They get out of the habit of doing things that are retrograde to their wishes. Tressel did what he felt like was the right thing -- because it was what he wanted to be the right thing. And now he's screwed. Deservedly.
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Petrino did just fine the only time he coached in a real city. He went to a BCS bowl at Louisville.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I could see "Crappiest Cities In America" being the subject of one of my Top 10 lists at some point. 1 and 2 would be easy.
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Ever been to West Memphis, AR? It would have to be ranked among the contenders.
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tvolsfan said:
There are guys I'd have to rank hire if you're just looking at the college level, and guys I'd have to rank hire just looking at the pros, but as far as the combination, he may just be out in front of everyone. Only longevity keeps him from being mentioned with some of the other greats.

In addition to his National Championship at Miami in '87, I believe he was one win away in '85, '86, and '88, and the team he left won the title in '89 and '91, and was won win away in '90 and '92. Erickson deserves a lot of credit, too, but I think Johnson could have at least matched him.
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Hire? For real?

If Im drunk and catch that, I should be a guru too.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Petrino did just fine the only time he coached in a real city. He went to a BCS bowl at Louisville.
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Atlanta's a great city to live in as long as you're even sort of smart about where you live and work, so that traffic's not an important part of your life. Which is easily accomplished. But as someone who's willing to live out his adult life in an apartment in downtown Knoxville, you and I clearly have radically different ideas about what constitutes a desirable living situation.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Atlanta's a great city to live in as long as you're even sort of smart about where you live and work, so that traffic's not an important part of your life. Which is easily accomplished. But as someone who's willing to live out his adult life in an apartment in downtown Knoxville, you and I clearly have radically different ideas about what constitutes a desirable living situation.
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Yeah, not like I've lived in New York and Miami, with another move on the way. Atlanta is for people too stupid to cut it in New York, too soft to cut it in Chicago, not cool enough to cut it in Miami, and not pretty enough to cut it in L.A.. It's really Nashville with better restaurants.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, not like I've lived in New York and Miami, with another move on the way. Atlanta is for people too stupid to cut it in New York, too soft to cut it in Chicago, not cool enough to cut it in Miami, and not pretty enough to cut it in L.A.. It's really Nashville with better restaurants.
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Whatever. I've got a great house on an actual piece of property, and as I said traffic hasn't been an issue for me the whole time I've lived here. There's something interesting to do every weekend of the year. I'm 10 minutes away from downtown Decatur, which is like having easy access to a college town. I'm 10-15 minutes from Buckhead and Midtown and downtown Atlanta. I'm 15 minutes from a group of Asian grocery stores in which I can buy almost any food ingredient that you might need on the planet. I'm 20 minutes away from an airport from which I can fly nonstop to basically any major airport in the world. And most importantly, I'm close enough to my family in Tennessee that I get to see them all the time, which is why my wife and I moved here rather than Chicago or NYC or Denver or any of the other places we were considering. I'm not pretentious enough to care that it's not someplace glamorous. I totally fail to see how awful living here is supposed to be.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Whatever. I've got a great house on an actual piece of property, and as I said traffic hasn't been an issue for me the whole time I've lived here. There's something interesting to do every weekend of the year. I'm 10 minutes away from downtown Decatur, which is like having easy access to a college town. I'm 10-15 minutes from Buckhead and Midtown and downtown Atlanta. I'm 15 minutes from a group of Asian grocery stores in which I can buy almost any food ingredient that you might need on the planet. I'm 20 minutes away from an airport from which I can fly nonstop to basically any major airport in the world. And most importantly, I'm close enough to my family in Tennessee that I get to see them all the time, which is why my wife and I moved here rather than Chicago or NYC or Denver or any of the other places we were considering. I'm not pretentious enough to care that it's not someplace glamorous. I totally fail to see how awful living here is supposed to be.
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Great presentation but I would suggest you leave out the word pretentious next time.
 
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I love Denver, but I wouldn't put it on a list with Chicago and NYC. Unless skiing is your passion in life or something.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Congratulations. You've got a yard to mow. I'm so terribly jealous.
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I have children. A yard's nice. Anyway, it's certainly great to have a guy who lives in the shadow of the Market Square parking garage telling me that I live somewhere that's for rubes that can't handle a real city. Maybe it's more awesome than I think it is to be able to walk to Soccer Taco.
 
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IPorange said:
I love Denver, but I wouldn't put it on a list with Chicago and NYC. Unless skiing is your passion in life or something.
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We love the mountains and we have friends there; we still get out to Denver every year or two. Ultimately we just couldn't bring ourselves to move too far away from our families, which are all in Tennessee, and if we had to go back to the south then we figured Atlanta was as good a place to try as any. We haven't regretted it.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
I have children. A yard's nice. Anyway, it's certainly great to have a guy who lives in the shadow of the Market Square parking garage telling me that I live somewhere that's for rubes that can't handle a real city. Maybe it's more awesome than I think it is to be able to walk to Soccer Taco.
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I treat my condo like a really nice hotel room that appreciates in value and I never have to check out. I'm here about half the time. I can get up, eat breakfast at Pete's, and still be in Manhattan for lunch any day the urge hits me. I must have missed where anyone has ever tried to pass Knoxville off as anything other than a functional little college town. You're the one who tried to shill Atlanta as if it were some glorious metropolis that Bobby Petrino couldn't handle. It might have just been that he quickly recognized the futility of working for the NFC's version of the Oilers.
 
#50
#50
Tressel is not an nfl type coach. So where does he go from here? Assuming he will be fired in the next calendar yr.
 
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