Wazzu coach fired for failing to get vaccinated.

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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Comparing a shot that was developed before DNA was discovered, before there was a man on the moon, before antibiotics, before seatbelts, before cholesterol and cigarettes were known to be bad with one developed with all the luxury of modern science...hmm. And... where do you think the tetanus vaccine is manufactured?
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Same people saying you can’t trust the vaccine during manufacturing of “operation warp speed” are the same ones mandating the vaccine. Same ones who claimed a vaccine needs 5-10 years to be proven safe, now say it’s safe.
 
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gisman said:
Pretty ironic getting a corporate ethics lesson from a Bama fan. I am remembering why I stopped coming here.

Requiring someone to do something that, if not complied with, results in financial harm could easily be construed as force.

There are states that agree with this point and have passed legislation ensuring their citizens rights are protected.

I love how folks that have decided to get the vaccine are ok with requiring others to get it.

Are you not protected? Why is anyone's vaccine status anyone else's concern if you are protected?
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That's the deal right there. If you're vaccinated and it works why is it your concern what others choose to do. It's a cult mentality...Vaxxed against unvaxxed. Another divide and conquer tactic that the clueless have embraced..
 
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Cartervol said:
That's the deal right there. If you're vaccinated and it works why is it your concern what others choose to do. It's a cult mentality...Vaxxed against unvaxxed. Another divide and conquer tactic that the clueless have embraced..
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Majors said:
Same people saying you can’t trust the vaccine during manufacturing of “operation warp speed” are the same ones mandating the vaccine. Same ones who claimed a vaccine needs 5-10 years to be proven safe, now say it’s safe.
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Yeah, you shouldn't take a drug during its development phase until it is proven safe except under rigorously controlled protocols. After it is proven safe and effective, it's ok.

It's interesting to me that the unvaccinated so readily will get infused under monitored conditions with Regeneron (which is still not FDA approved and which there is only fractional experience compared to the vaccines, which does carry realistic risks, and which is even newer than the vaccine) but won't take the vaccine that will safely prevent them from ever needing Regeneron.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Yeah, you shouldn't take a drug during its development phase until it is proven safe except under rigorously controlled protocols. After it is proven safe and effective, it's ok.

It's interesting to me that the unvaccinated so readily will get infused under monitored conditions with Regeneron (which is still not FDA approved and which there is only fractional experience compared to the vaccines, which does carry realistic risks, and which is even newer than the vaccine) but won't take the vaccine that will safely prevent them from ever needing Regeneron.
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The numbers are Flu numbers and not on the level of pandemic, never were there. Even after adding the flu numbers from last year which they did. You want the Vax then take it , but to take someone's livelihood away because they refuse to think like you do is wrong on so many levels it's not funny. Never was.
 
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utchs81 said:
It is my understanding that the Covid 19 vaccine is the first mRNA vaccine to be used. If you have more proof I'd like to hear about it.
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All vaccines will be mRNA based in the very near future. It is a safer and more effective technology. There is no virus or bacteria involved. Its components are lipid, mRNA, and a couple of salts for preservatives. There is nothing in it that you don't ingest with every bite of food you will ever eat (not including the microchip of course).

Bizarre to me that when someone steps on a nail they want a tetanus shot. They've never seen a case of tetanus, never had tetanus, never heard of anyone having had tetanus, don't know what tetanus is or if there are alternative treatments and much less what are the potential side effects. They don't know what the ingredients are in the tetanus vaccine. They don't even know it comes from China. Then comes a safer vaccine, produced in developed countries for a disease that has killed more Americans in 18 months than every war we have ever fought collectively since 1775 and they want nothing to do with it.
 
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Cartervol said:
The numbers are Flu numbers and not on the level of pandemic, never were there. Even after adding the flu numbers from last year which they did. You want the Vax then take it , but to take someone's livelihood away because they refuse to think like you do is wrong on so many levels it's not funny. Never was.
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What numbers are you referring to as "flu numbers"?
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
The "treatment", I assume you mean vaccine, works very well. My local hospital has admitted nearly 400 Covid patients, 9 of them were vaccinated.

Are you aware that more Americans have died of Covid than all the American soldiers who died in the the following wars total?:

Afganistan war
Iraqi war
The Vietnam war
The Korean war
WW2
WW1
The Mexican American War
The War of 1812
The Revolutionary War
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Died with... Big difference.

What do you think about Taiwan? More people have died from the mRNA treatment than Covid there. I suspect that they are probably being quite a bit more precise with how they count Covid deaths than the US.

What about the UK? They are having larger number of vaccinated dying from Covid that non.

What about Signapore? Huge spike in cases with deaths while being close to 100% mRNA'd.

If you are scared of Covid and you think mRNA will help you, and the benefits outweigh the risks, go for it. I think, for some folks based on risk factors it could be a decent decision.

I have counted the risks and benefits and made my decision. I am not telling you that your decision was wrong, and am telling you that you decision has no impact on mine.
 
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gisman said:
Died with... Big difference.

What do you think about Taiwan? More people have died from the mRNA treatment than Covid there. I suspect that they are probably being quite a bit more precise with how they count Covid deaths than the US.

What about the UK? They are having larger number of vaccinated dying from Covid that non.

What about Signapore? Huge spike in cases with deaths while being close to 100% mRNA'd.

If you are scared of Covid and you think mRNA will help you, and the benefits outweigh the risks, go for it. I think, for some folks based on risk factors it could be a decent decision.

I have counted the risks and benefits and made my decision. I am not telling you that your decision was wrong, and am telling you that you decision has no impact on mine.
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I have not read any valid information on Covid vaccination causing deaths. Please elaborate. Facebook and Instagram posts by QANON do not count.
 
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gisman said:
Died with... Big difference.

What do you think about Taiwan? More people have died from the mRNA treatment than Covid there. I suspect that they are probably being quite a bit more precise with how they count Covid deaths than the US.

What about the UK? They are having larger number of vaccinated dying from Covid that non.

What about Signapore? Huge spike in cases with deaths while being close to 100% mRNA'd.

If you are scared of Covid and you think mRNA will help you, and the benefits outweigh the risks, go for it. I think, for some folks based on risk factors it could be a decent decision.

I have counted the risks and benefits and made my decision. I am not telling you that your decision was wrong, and am telling you that you decision has no impact on mine.
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What would be the motive in saying someone died of Covid when they actually did not?
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Yeah, you shouldn't take a drug during its development phase until it is proven safe except under rigorously controlled protocols. After it is proven safe and effective, it's ok.

It's interesting to me that the unvaccinated so readily will get infused under monitored conditions with Regeneron (which is still not FDA approved and which there is only fractional experience compared to the vaccines, which does carry realistic risks, and which is even newer than the vaccine) but won't take the vaccine that will safely prevent them from ever needing Regeneron.
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So we are in the clinical trials phase based on your logic. Another safe and proven is diet, exercise, age and overall good health but lets not use that criteria in "trusting science" when we can push this agenda.
 
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Majors said:
So we are in the clinical trials phase based on your logic. Another safe and proven is diet, exercise, age and overall good health but lets not use that criteria in "trusting science" when we can push this agenda.
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We are not in clinical trials for the currently approved vaccines. Diet, age, exercise, and overall good health may modify the disease course but they are not proven to be effective prevention.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
All vaccines will be mRNA based in the very near future. It is a safer and more effective technology. There is no virus or bacteria involved. Its components are lipid, mRNA, and a couple of salts for preservatives. There is nothing in it that you don't ingest with every bite of food you will ever eat (not including the microchip of course).

Bizarre to me that when someone steps on a nail they want a tetanus shot. They've never seen a case of tetanus, never had tetanus, never heard of anyone having had tetanus, don't know what tetanus is or if there are alternative treatments and much less what are the potential side effects. They don't know what the ingredients are in the tetanus vaccine. They don't even know it comes from China. Then comes a safer vaccine, produced in developed countries for a disease that has killed more Americans in 18 months than every war we have ever fought collectively since 1775 and they want nothing to do with it.
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Safer? Really? Flu shots kill almost no people per year. It is a very small number. To date 10 months in there are 17,000 deaths in VAERS from the mRNA treatments.

Glad you are all in after 10 months of data. Sounds reasonable.
 
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gisman said:
Safer? Really? Flu shots kill almost no people per year. It is a very small number. To date 10 months in there are 17,000 deaths in VAERS from the mRNA treatments.
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Should I actually believe this number? If so, should I believe everything that is posted to the VAERS database? If not, why not?
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
We are not in clinical trials for the currently approved vaccines. Diet, age, exercise, and overall good health may modify the disease course but they are not proven to be effective prevention.
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So you're saying there is long term safety and efficacy studies on the "approved vaccines" for covid? And with your last line, the current vaccinations are not effective in prevention either. Only cuts down on severity of illness and duration. So we now we are at a crossroads of trust - we can either trust fast tracked synthetic products for either mass or orphan populations or we can go with the old model of trusting phases of development.
 
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Majors said:
So you're saying there is long term safety and efficacy studies on the "approved vaccines" for covid? And with you last line, the current vaccinations are not effective in prevention either. Only cuts down on severity of illness and duration. So we now we are at a crossroads of trust - we can either trust fast tracked synthetic products for either mass or orphan populations or we can go with the old model of trusting phases of development.
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Still over 80% effective in preventing infection. Cutting severity of illness is a big deal...saves lives. My local hospital has admitted around 400 Covid patients...9 of those were vaccinated.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Still over 80% effective in preventing infection. Cutting severity of illness is a big deal...saves lives. My local hospital has admitted around 400 Covid patients...9 of those were vaccinated.
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Maybe. 80% for about a month, then it drops quickly. Hurry up and get exposed while you are covered, then get ready for your booster at the 3-4 month mark, when it's effectiveness is waning. More effective than traditional vaccines right? How many flu vaccines to received per year?
 
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