Wazzu coach fired for failing to get vaccinated.

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Health and Fitness have way more to do with what an employee costs a company and their ability to perform a job than Covid Vaccine status, yet the government/companies/institutions aren't mandating people loose weight, stop smoking, start exercising, eat healthy, stop drinking or any other activity that is proven to improve health.
 
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McDad said:
It could effect production. They don't require exercise which makes their employees more able to work without premature fatigue and injury.
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There are companies/industries/jobs that require fitness for duty parameters that include being physically able to perform certain tasks. While not requiring exercise per se, the person must still meet certain thresholds to maintain their job/employment.

To add - if you have a job that requires travel to countries that experience diseases not found in the US (for example), many companies will require you to have inoculations prior to performing that work related activity. I have not experienced it personally, but would suspect they could eliminate your employment if you refused those as part of your work related travel as they would be liable for your safety. Maybe you could sign a waiver of liability, but I doubt it.

Neither applies to football coach but are relevant to the broader discussion of employers requiring health thresholds to be met as part of employment.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
There are companies/industries/jobs that require fitness for duty parameters that include being physically able to perform certain tasks. While not requiring exercise per se, the person must still meet certain thresholds to maintain their job/employment.

To add - if you have a job that requires travel to countries that experience diseases not found in the US (for example), many companies will require you to have inoculations prior to performing that work related activity. I have not experienced it personally, but would suspect they could eliminate your employment if you refused those as part of your work related travel as they would be liable for your safety. Maybe you could sign a waiver of liability, but I doubt it.

Neither applies to football coach but are relevant to the broader discussion of employers requiring health thresholds to be met as part of employment.
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Agreed.
And in that broader discussion, requiring a vaccine but not other prevention in a job which has no risk is political; not promotional for health.
 
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McDad said:
Agreed.
And in that broader discussion, requiring a vaccine but not other prevention in a job which has no risk is political; not promotional for health.
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Most of the corporate positioning has to do with productivity that I have seen - particularly given the ease of transmission. Hard to run a profitable business with large swaths of employees out on illness - some of which may never return.

When the government is your employer, every job requirement can be viewed as political, imo.
 
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gisman said:
Health and Fitness have way more to do with what an employee costs a company and their ability to perform a job than Covid Vaccine status, yet the government/companies/institutions aren't mandating people loose weight, stop smoking, start exercising, eat healthy, stop drinking or any other activity that is proven to improve health.
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And there we have it! Let’s address the topic that is taboo to speak about because then you get labeled anything except honest. A little line that usually gets avoided when prescriptions are picked up at the local pharmacy to control sugars is “this product is used in conjunction with diet and exercise”
 
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bamawriter said:
So each individual gets to tell his boss whether or not he's going to follow a company policy?
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Was it a policy when he was hired? Can Washington State assure him of the long-term affects of the vaccine they are just now mandating him to inject?
 
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BUBear said:
Was it a policy when he was hired?
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Does it matter? Employers change policy all the time. It's not like he was expected to be fully-vaccinated the moment the mandate was announced. He was given several months to either comply, get an exemption approved, or leave.

Can Washington State assure him of the long-term affects of the vaccine they are just now mandating him to inject?
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No, and it doesn't matter. They also can't guarantee that he won't have his legs snapped in half by a running back plowing into him at full speed.
 
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bamawriter said:
Does it matter? Employers change policy all the time. It's not like he was expected to be fully-vaccinated the moment the mandate was announced. He was given several months to either comply, get an exemption approved, or leave.



No, and it doesn't matter. They also can't guarantee that he won't have his legs snapped in half by a running back plowing into him at full speed.
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Your lack of concern for anyone not vaccinated or likely anyone else is sick.

Having individual liberty and choice in personal matters should be protected. When the federal government tries to infringe upon those liberties, the threat is apparent.

All this for a treatment that doesn't even work.
 
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99gator said:
I just don’t understand the logic.

If you take the vaccine and you’re safe (because you took the vaccine), then what other people do doesn’t matter…. unless you’re not safe.

If you took the vaccine and aren’t safe, what’s the point of taking the vaccine.
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It was also reported that he never went anywhere without a mask. So they are kinda admitting that the masks don’t work either.
 
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I’d be willing to bet there are people in the administration at WSU that don’t have the vaccine.

But they can dictate who needs it and who doesent.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
He’s referring to it’s not needed in terms of it’s an unnecessary mitigation protocol for the vast majority of society. You’re moving the goalposts in comparing this to any other generic company policy. Outside of the military, I doubt any company has ever implemented a policy that pertained to personal health decisions/lifestyle choices.
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Every hospital in America requires flu vaccinations with over 90% compliance.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
Ok a tetanus shot is required by an industry, my bad. Outside of that I’ve not heard of employers mandating any other health requirements as a condition of employment. In this case it just happens to be the Covid vaccine.
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Every hospital in America requires flu vaccinations with over 90% compliance.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
I don’t really care about the my body, my choice movement that’s going on with the vaccine right now. I just won’t get it, because people are trying to publicly shame people into getting it. I don’t care if it’s the best vaccine ever made. Once somebody try’s to shame me into doing anything, I’ll do the exact opposite. I do what I want, when I want, and if that pisses you off go move to a more authoritarian country. If people actually wanted me to get it for my own health benefit, then I would, but public shaming is just a big turn off. I rather give you the middle finger, than do what you want because it fits your political agenda. Also I’m 24, and I don’t know of a single friend that’s died with this. I have some older family members who have, but I gotta be honest they were on their way out anyways. Covid doesn’t scare me and as far as I’m concerned this is the lefts 9/11. The right back in the day fear mongered using terrorist, now the lefts taking that same play book with covid. The right lost the culture doing that, and I think the left is fully on its way into doing the same.
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Orange All Day!
 
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McDad said:
You're attempting to corner him on his trust of various vaccines. I think he is drawing a line in the sand about forced vaccination. People do things in their personal life which they don't want applied to the larger society.
We are supposedly a country built on individual liberty.
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He wasn't forced to take the vaccine. He could get vaccinated or not work there... his choice. They give him the choice to wear pants or not work there, not be abusive to minorities or not work there, show up and coach on Saturdays or not work there. All his choice.
 
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Majors said:
Comparing a shot that has been around under 100 years vs. one that hasn't been around for 100 weeks.
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Comparing a shot that was developed before DNA was discovered, before there was a man on the moon, before antibiotics, before seatbelts, before cholesterol and cigarettes were known to be bad with one developed with all the luxury of modern science...hmm. And... where do you think the tetanus vaccine is manufactured?
 
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gisman said:
Health and Fitness have way more to do with what an employee costs a company and their ability to perform a job than Covid Vaccine status, yet the government/companies/institutions aren't mandating people loose weight, stop smoking, start exercising, eat healthy, stop drinking or any other activity that is proven to improve health.
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They aren't mandating it but they are making you pay more for your insurance if you don't comply.
 
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gisman said:
Your lack of concern for anyone not vaccinated or likely anyone else is sick.

Having individual liberty and choice in personal matters should be protected. When the federal government tries to infringe upon those liberties, the threat is apparent.

All this for a treatment that doesn't even work.
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The "treatment", I assume you mean vaccine, works very well. My local hospital has admitted nearly 400 Covid patients, 9 of them were vaccinated.

Are you aware that more Americans have died of Covid than all the American soldiers who died in the the following wars total?:

Afganistan war
Iraqi war
The Vietnam war
The Korean war
WW2
WW1
The Mexican American War
The War of 1812
The Revolutionary War
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
The "treatment", I assume you mean vaccine, works very well. My local hospital has admitted nearly 400 Covid patients, 9 of them were vaccinated.

Are you aware that more Americans have died of Covid than all the American soldiers who died in the the following wars total?:

Afganistan war
Iraqi war
The Vietnam war
The Korean war
WW2
WW1
The Mexican American War
The War of 1812
The Revolutionary War
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According to government "statistics".:rolleyes:
 
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