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#51
There are two reasons that a team plays a zone:

A) They don't think they can match up athletically or physically.
B) They don't believe you can beat them from the perimeter and they are gonna pack it in and make you beat the from the outside.

In more cases than not tennessee see's a zone for the latter reason and nobody can blame them. I agree you have to be a threat to shoot the 3 ball in order to stretch the zone and make them honor you so you can then work the ball inside. On the flip side of that when shots aren't falling Martin is unable to make the adjustment to tell his team to quit settling for the first outside jumper you see, reverse the basketball and shift the zone and finally penetrate the gaps. This is also just as important and effective to beating a zone and any coach will tell you that.
 
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allvol21 said:
On the flip side of that when shots aren't falling Martin is unable to make the adjustment to tell his team to quit settling for the first outside jumper you see, reverse the basketball and shift the zone and finally penetrate the gaps. This is also just as important and effective to beating a zone and any coach will tell you that.
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They were doing this much better against Wake.
UTEP was the mystery. Why Zo sat and watched them chuck 21 3s.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
A few years ago UT BB was on the rise. It was exciting to see over 20K screaming in TBA as over achieving players beat the likes of Kansas, KY, FL and Memphis. We would go to the dance and win. Now.......we lose to the likes of UTEP, Mercer, Bama amd GA. Now, we are at best.....mediocre. We have some good players, but they can't seem to get it together enough to win. Frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If Martin cant get this team in the NCAA and win at least 1 game- he needs to go. This Trae Golden thing is the last straw. FROM what I can find on the net - it was mostly a personality conflict. This is not the KY Wildcats where great players abound, we need to keep every bit of talent we have. Very upsetting way to start the year.
 
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JACK8254 said:
If Martin cant get this team in the NCAA and win at least 1 game- he needs to go. This Trae Golden thing is the last straw. FROM what I can find on the net - it was mostly a personality conflict. This is not the KY Wildcats where great players abound, we need to keep every bit of talent we have. Very upsetting way to start the year.
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Huh?
 
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JACK8254 said:
If Martin cant get this team in the NCAA and win at least 1 game- he needs to go. This Trae Golden thing is the last straw. FROM what I can find on the net - it was mostly a personality conflict. This is not the KY Wildcats where great players abound, we need to keep every bit of talent we have. Very upsetting way to start the year.
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We upgraded , Barton vs. Golden.
 
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508mikey said:
Need a couple of Chris Loftons real fast
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Chris Lofton's don't grow on trees. Hubbs will develop into a good 3 pt shooter , Barton can knock them down, Richardson may have the most improved shot on the team from outside the arc and McRae is a pretty good threat from behind the arc. However, I really don't want to see us jacking up 20+ 3's a game this year. Pound it inside with Stokes and Maymon and drive to the basket with McRae , Barton and Richardson.
 
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JACK8254 said:
If Martin cant get this team in the NCAA and win at least 1 game- he needs to go. This Trae Golden thing is the last straw. FROM what I can find on the net - it was mostly a personality conflict. This is not the KY Wildcats where great players abound, we need to keep every bit of talent we have. Very upsetting way to start the year.
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Addition by subtraction. We are better without Trae. Have no idea why you think otherwise.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
He didn't start yesterday. Last thing we need this year was a pg that was likely to be benched. It already happened at GT.
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I don't understand the Golden love from some here. He underperformed and was an overall drag on the team. Lazy D and didn't run the floor very well.

If there were personality conflicts, my suspicion is that Martin thought he prepared and played lazily.

He is talented, but he just didn't seem to put in the work here. We are in a better place this year at PG without TG.

Wish him the best of luck at GT. Hope he finds his game.
 
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calban said:
Martin's answer to the zone defense has always been the 3 pt shot.
Still is, even after the rule changes.
The reason for the changes was to make zone defense less effective.
The rules favor penetrating guards.
Hey Cuonzo.
When the 3 isn't falling, attack with penetration. You've got at least 3 guys now that would excel at it.
They changed the rules to help you.
Answer: Mumble , mumble. got to make shots. mumble, mumble, good, good
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Hard to make a pure three point shooter understand anything but taking the three.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I don't understand the Golden love from some here. He underperformed and was an overall drag on the team. Lazy D and didn't run the floor very well.

If there were personality conflicts, my suspicion is that Martin thought he prepared and played lazily.

He is talented, but he just didn't seem to put in the work here. We are in a better place this year at PG without TG.

Wish him the best of luck at GT. Hope he finds his game.
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I think some of it is because he was a vol, which I understand. I think another part is that he had a few good games and people point out his current ppg and apg as proof, yet don't even look at winning/losing, other players getting better, etc.
Trae may have put up 17 and 6 yesterday against TT, but we would've probably won by single digits as the rest of the team didn't get involved as they watched him stand around. And as usual per me, I look at stats differently anyway. If Stokes holds onto the ball a little better yesterday or doesn't waste dribbles, our guards have another 5-6 assists on good passes. Our wing passing to Stokes' hand when he gets position hasn't been better in years. DT and Barton both know how to create an angle and give it to him in a good spot. Trae was clueless as to how to make the wing pass to the post.
 
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#63
Why should Martin change his style of coaching pick-up basketball? Afterall that style of coaching gets him to the tourny (NIT) for one game.
 
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1985Vols said:
Chris Lofton's don't grow on trees. Hubbs will develop into a good 3 pt shooter , Barton can knock them down, Richardson may have the most improved shot on the team from outside the arc and McRae is a pretty good threat from behind the arc. However, I really don't want to see us jacking up 20+ 3's a game this year. Pound it inside with Stokes and Maymon and drive to the basket with McRae , Barton and Richardson.
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This.

We average less than 13 three point attempts a game in our wins, that number goes to 20 in our losses.

Common trend in our losses is too many 3s taken, and poor ft shooting. We've done a better job lately of attacking, that needs to continue.

With as good a rebounding team as we are, and how well we are taking care of the ball (tops in the SEC), we have a recipe for winning if we attack the rim and don't settle.
 
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#65
you tend to jack up 3's late when losing games as well. I'd bet we jacked up several in the last 2-3 minutes in our losses
 
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Spartacavolus said:
you tend to jack up 3's late when losing games as well. I'd bet we jacked up several in the last 2-3 minutes in our losses
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I have no way of looking at when they were taken, but yes this is often true. However I would venture to guess that for the prior 38 minutes we took more 3s than normal as well.

I'm all for taking the open or rhythm 3, but I don't like when they're not falling and we continue to take them with 25 seconds on the clock and a guy in our face.

McRae is too good going to the rim to guard himself like that, I truly believe if he doesn't flail he can get into the paint anytime he wants. Stokes has become too good with both hands to not get a high % look, and even if he missed have a likely shot at his own rebound. Maymon has come along and looks like the Maymon of old, hitting the tough angled layups at a high %. We just have too many weapons that excel inside the paint, and rebound our own missed at such a high rate, that I hate to see us settle for 3s early in the clock.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Anybody think we're top 10 in the country in turnovers per game with golden at point?
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people look at assists and want our pgs to be more active, but we just don't run an offense that is going to get a lot of assists, and we don't ask our pg's to clearout and take their man. If we did, assist #'s would go up.
Pg's are doing what we need them to do which is take care of the ball, play d with effort, stay focused, and get the ball in the right guy's hands, which is mainly McRae and Stokes.
I love seeing a pg back it out, direct traffic, and dump it down on the post on Stokes' hand so he can make his move in rhythme. Passing to the post is a vastly underrated skill that can make the difference in the big man converting.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
people look at assists and want our pgs to be more active, but we just don't run an offense that is going to get a lot of assists, and we don't ask our pg's to clearout and take their man. If we did, assist #'s would go up.
Pg's are doing what we need them to do which is take care of the ball, play d with effort, stay focused, and get the ball in the right guy's hands, which is mainly McRae and Stokes.
I love seeing a pg back it out, direct traffic, and dump it down on the post on Stokes' hand so he can make his move in rhythme. Passing to the post is a vastly underrated skill that can make the difference in the big man converting.
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Absolutely.

Also have to factor in that guys like McRae and Maymon are averaging a good number of assists, we aren't relying solely on our PGs.
 
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vols 30 said:
Let's not forget that Golden was not true PG. He played out of position
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that still has nothing to do with on and off court leadership, work ethic, ballhandling improvement focus, defensive effort, and vocally directing traffic
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
This.

We average less than 13 three point attempts a game in our wins, that number goes to 20 in our losses.

Common trend in our losses is too many 3s taken, and poor ft shooting. We've done a better job lately of attacking, that needs to continue.

With as good a rebounding team as we are, and how well we are taking care of the ball (tops in the SEC), we have a recipe for winning if we attack the rim and don't settle.
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Pretty much all teams have a higher 3 point attempt number when coming from behind. We get out played in the paint and turnovers and then have to start jacking threes.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
...and its UGLY. We have no direction. No offensive set. Maymon just throws up blind shots and can't even see the rim. We will live and die by the 3 that's for sure. Our bigs don't know how to contest shots. They just stand flat footed and the D shoots over them over and over and over. Just awful ugly basketball.
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Not according to some of these experts here...one such genius went as far as saying we have one of the most "efficient" offenses in the country...
 
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