We may have a quandry tomorrow...

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#51
IIRC, Dan Williams was a 3* OL coming out of HS.

Take the big bodies and figure it out later.
 
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Lord Vader said:
This would be my ideal class and I think it is VERY likely:

OT- Richardson
OT- Kerbyson
OT/TE- Clear
C- Crowder
OG- Posey
OG- Walsh/West/Austin
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There was an article in the Bristol paper this morning that quoted Tennessee High's head coach saying he was going to play Crowder at OT this year rather than center, but didn't say why.
 
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thunder5 said:
Milton...

Alot will disagree but he's listed at 220 in the new roster and he's got a broad enough frame to put on another 15-20 and keep his athleticism...

Since we're pretty well set at WR and not at TE I really think you're going to see him move there by next spring
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For his height, 220 is ideal for his frame. He's way too wirey to play TE. He would need Clears current weight and that's not gonna happen. He'll be an excellent WR. Showed some promise in the O&W game. Funny thing is that he played) last season in HS.
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sjt18 said:
IIRC, Dan Williams was a 3* OL coming out of HS.

Take the big bodies and figure it out later.
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Perhaps you are confusing Dan Williams with his teamate Malcolm Rawls. Dan was a 3* DT, not an OL. who had offers from Miami, Auburn, Oklahoma and some other SEC programs.

How many big bodies do you suggest they take? People act like it is okay to sign 8 or so offensive lineman no matter what they are rated, who has offered, etc. IMO that would be a terrible decision to make with all the need positions on this roster right now. You take 5 offensive lineman max in this class, and you certainly dont give Richardson or Kerbyson's slot to a guy just because he wants to commit right now.
 
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PACKERVOL said:
There was an article in the Bristol paper this morning that quoted Tennessee High's head coach saying he was going to play Crowder at OT this year rather than center, but didn't say why.
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Not surprising. A lot of the best offensive lineman on high school teams play OT. It definitely doesn't mean they will project at OT in college. Crowder will almost assuredly be a Center in college.
 
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HonoluluVol said:
For his height, 220 is ideal for his frame. He's way too wirey to play TE. He would need Clears current weight and that's not gonna happen. He'll be an excellent WR. Showed some promise in the O&W game. Funny thing is that he played) last season in HS.
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I agree. Milton is a WR all the way. I didnt see anything in the spring that led me to believe he has the farme, mindset, physicality or anything to be a TE. He will be a good WR at Tennessee.
 
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#57
Sounds like Crowder is close to making a public decision about becoming a Vol soon...I really think if we stay on Clear, and Kerbyson they are ours to lose. Richardson is obvioulsy going to be tough but I think we should land him in the end too.

So overall I think I side with MH on this one and say maybe take one more of the midlevel guys if they are ready to commit and the coaches think they are the best of that level that we are looking at. Because we need to save alot of spots for DLine, LB, and DBs.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
Terrible idea when you are trying to rebuild a program. You need to get the best players regardless. You dont take a guy like Austin or Rexroad to fill a spot that could go to Richardson or Kerbyson, both of whom Tennessee is sitting in good shape with.
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I agree there are only some many we can take and we are in good shape with the top OL guys on our board. Taking too many guys just for the sake of depth will only look like a negative with future recruits. IMO
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
Because we need to save alot of spots for DLine, LB, and DBs.
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No doubt. All of those positions are enormous needs. You can't go around accepting 8-10 offensive line commitments from anyone and everyone with the shape this roster is in at almost all positions.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
No doubt. All of those positions are enormous needs. You can't go around accepting 8-10 offensive line commitments from anyone and everyone with the shape this roster is in at almost all positions.
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I totally agree, but if we weren't solidly in the lead for Crowder, Kerbyson, and Clear at this point then I would have a totally different opinion. At this point though we have to play our cards as they lie and that is to keep on our top prospects and hope that we close them. 5-6 very solid Oline prospects would be like Gold for this class.:good!:
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I would take Heisted's (sic?) opinion about an OL every time over Rivals, Scout, or ESPN's every time. :thumbsup:
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Playing the devil's advocate, what about all the other OL coaches out there that didn't offer some of these kids? Do their opinions count less than Heistand's because they aren't Vol coaches? Is Heistand the only OL coach that knows how to evaluate a player? There is a reason their offer lists aren't good.

Bottom line is you have to sign someone. You can't field a roster without signing guys. A lot of times guys like a few of the one's being talked about (Austin, Rexroad) are only offered after they miss out on the guys at the top or their board. Just because they might eventually offer them, doesn't mean they were ever anywhere near the top of the OL board.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
Perhaps you are confusing Dan Williams with his teamate Malcolm Rawls.
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No. Vlad Richard actually who went the other way and had a decent career.

How many big bodies do you suggest they take? People act like it is okay to sign 8 or so offensive lineman no matter what they are rated, who has offered, etc.
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Not at all. I agree that Hiestand and Smith in particular are more trustworthy in their detailed critiques of the linemen UT has a line on than the recruiting svcs are or even could be. The recruiting svcs just don't have the time to go to that depth. Offer lists are important but they aren't the tell all either.

I think between DT and OL UT should take 9 or 10 guys. If they look at someone and say "He could be either DT or OL"... that makes them a safer prospect right now.

IMO that would be a terrible decision to make with all the need positions on this roster right now. You take 5 offensive lineman max in this class, and you certainly dont give Richardson or Kerbyson's slot to a guy just because he wants to commit right now.
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I was actually referring to the final product, not the class right now in July. OTOH, if you catch a Hughes or Schofield right now... you lock them up if you can even if no one else has noticed them.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
Playing the devil's advocate, what about all the other OL coaches out there that didn't offer some of these kids? Do their opinions count less than Heistand's because they aren't Vol coaches? Is Heistand the only OL coach that knows how to evaluate a player? There is a reason their offer lists aren't good.

Bottom line is you have to sign someone. You can't field a roster without signing guys. A lot of times guys like a few of the one's being talked about (Austin, Rexroad) are only offered after they miss out on the guys at the top or their board. Just because they might eventually offer them, doesn't mean they were ever anywhere near the top of the OL board.
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Of course not....but as i have said before, I think this staff prides itself on finding "diamonds in the rough". Whether that is out of necessity or habit, no one truly knows right now, but IMHO they're doing to get ahead of the curve as quickly as possible, i.e. they're recruiting the top talent first while also placing a big emphasis on players who have the "potential" of being top talent.

As for a player's offer sheet....who knows. A guy can have an offer sheet a mile long and still be a dud, there are no guarantees. And while I would rather have the guy that has a ten mile long offer sheet over the guy who only has offers to play at a handful of mid to lower-tier schools, at this point, with the depth chart looking the way it does, I'll take the coaches opinion...for now.

Recruiting this way is a byproduct of playing mediocre football (or should I say finishing with mediocre records) and having three HC's in three years. WHEN we return to the SEC elite, this should be a non-issue. Winning will expand our options exponentially in the recruiting world.
 
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#65
Just guessing from the 3 years Hiestand's tenure at Illinois overlaps with Rivals ratings of OL's... His success there wasn't built on outrecruiting the big dogs for blue chippers. I think I saw one guy who wasn't a 2-3*.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I would take Heisted's (sic?) opinion about an OL every time over Rivals, Scout, or ESPN's every time. :thumbsup:
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Considering that few, if any, of the analysts for these services have coached a lineman that went into the NFL, let alone every starting OL in a seven year span, I would agree with you.
 
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VOLinCO said:
Considering that few, if any, of the analysts for these services have coached a lineman that went into the NFL, let alone every starting OL in a seven year span, I would agree with you.
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What about all the other OLine coaches out there in college football who evaluate the same prospects and dont' offer them? You guys act like it is a Heistand vs Recruiting Analysts thing. Ratings are overated, offer lists aren't.

My main point is just because Tennessee is recruiting an offensive lineman, doesnt make him a good prospect. If they are losing guys at the top of their board, they still have to sign someone to fill up a roster spot at a need position. (I'm not saying Tennessee is losing out on all the top guys), but offering just anyone and everyone that expresses interest is not the way to build the program back up. I'm hopeful that they stay selective on the OL considering they have positioned themselves well with guys like Richardson, Kerbyson and a few others that have some pretty big-time offer lists.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
What about all the other OLine coaches out there in college football who evaluate the same prospects and dont' offer them? You guys act like it is a Heistand vs Recruiting Analysts thing. Ratings are overated, offer lists aren't.

My main point is just because Tennessee is recruiting an offensive lineman, doesnt make him a good prospect. If they are losing guys at the top of their board, they still have to sign someone to fill up a roster spot at a need position. (I'm not saying Tennessee is losing out on all the top guys), but offering just anyone and everyone that expresses interest is not the way to build the program back up. I'm hopeful that they stay selective on the OL considering they have positioned themselves well with guys like Richardson, Kerbyson and a few others that have some pretty big-time offer lists.
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I doubt very seriously its as cut and dry as them (the coaching staff) offering "anyone and everyone". I'm sure you didn't mean that literally....

However, it's not as if they're putting names on a dart board and whichever name it lands on gets an offer. I certainly don't think they would offer a kid who they thought couldn't play....would they sign someone whom wasn't their first or second choice?? Sure, but I don't think would purposefully recruit someone who they thought was not SEC quality over someone who is.
 
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#69
vol_in_ga said:
Posey, Richardson, Kerbyson, Crowder, and West/Austin(depending on what the staff thinks of Austin) would be ideal. Clear is a tight end according to his talks with Dooley.
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^This..I hope we keep an close eye on Robinson too.
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#70
#70
Montrell Hardy said:
Not surprising. A lot of the best offensive lineman on high school teams play OT. It definitely doesn't mean they will project at OT in college. Crowder will almost assuredly be a Center in college.
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I agree. Was just mentioning the change. Maybe they simply have a capable starter at center, and Crowder would be more help at OT this year. Plus, it never hurts to have experience at multiple positions on the OL.
 
#73
#73
Richardson is the MUST GET in this class. Not only do you get the best in-state prospect, you beat out Saban for him. That would be huge for the future.
 
#74
#74
lol as good as we are doing in OL recruiting Montrell is still crying.

and stop comparing Austin and Rexroad together. their offer lists are not close.
 
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