We Need New Plays/Schemes

[jlf2n]

This year, no OL. Next year, no QB. The year after that the offense may be clicking but it'll be a rebuilding year for the DL. We've been in this rut for 10 seasons. What we need is to hit the jackpot in recruiting at all positions of need for 2-3 classes in a row.

Blue font: I agree 100% we are bringing in a great qb and 2 five star tackles and some great d ends. It's obvious our d line will need a complete overhaul. Smh

 

[supervol01]

Ah yes, new plays and schemes. That went really well with the Clawfence, didn't it?

 

[Bigworm87]

I get where the op is going with it. I do not think we need to change schemes, I just think we need to play to our strengths. The only problem I have with what we are doing now is running between the tackles constantly on the delayed hand off into the backs of our young and inexperienced o line. The few times we have ran a back outside of the tackles where they can use their speed we have had multiple 10+ yard runs. The two big gains hurd had against Oklahoma came when we ran outside of the tackles. Im no coach but If you have speed out of the backfield you get them in space. Running into your o lines back because they cant run block will not warrant many yards.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

This thread needs more cowbells.

 

[chad4930]

I have a theory... and it goes like this.

When you succeed you don't want to change things you are doing. CBJ and Bajakian have had success where they have been. But when you do the same thing over and over, defensive minds will adapt to it eventually.

I'm not saying the system is flawed, I'm saying the system has run it's course and we need to try something new.

The first season at Central Michigan, they were rocking. New system, new everything. Defenses didn't really know what was up.

They get to Cincy and do the same thing and probably tweak some things in the playbook. They got better talent so things are running smooth.

Come to TN and the talent is off the charts but you have better opponents who will scheme better against you.

I don't know of any coach who has stuck with the same OC for more years than Butch has. I'm sure there are some, but I don't know of any personally.

Tons of tapes of games to look at. We can watch every game from Central Michigan, Cincy, to now and get a feel of what plays there are and the tendencies.

I hope I'm wrong and our OC has tweaked or changed plays every season but if not, I fear we have already become predictable.

You might not have to change staff, but changing philosophies might be needed in THE FUTURE.

Coach Cutcliff would disagree. When the Oline made their blocks Hurd got loose against one of the top defensive groups in the country. It takes time and the horses to run any scheme.:twocents:

 

[volinbama256]

seriously, can we just throw a few pitches and slants in there?! It would make all the difference in the world. The slant is such a simple play, but for some reason we choose not to run it.... that gets 4-5 yards on the reg every time. On first down, throw the slant to Alton, or whoever you want, the D will not be crashing corners on 1st.... now we have caught and tackled forward and its 2nd and 5 or 4. Options instantly open up and the D has to expect anything and everything....

 

[RollerVol]

I have a theory... and it goes like this.

When you succeed you don't want to change things you are doing. CBJ and Bajakian have had success where they have been. But when you do the same thing over and over, defensive minds will adapt to it eventually.

I'm not saying the system is flawed, I'm saying the system has run it's course and we need to try something new.

The first season at Central Michigan, they were rocking. New system, new everything. Defenses didn't really know what was up.

They get to Cincy and do the same thing and probably tweak some things in the playbook. They got better talent so things are running smooth.

Come to TN and the talent is off the charts but you have better opponents who will scheme better against you.

I don't know of any coach who has stuck with the same OC for more years than Butch has. I'm sure there are some, but I don't know of any personally.

Tons of tapes of games to look at. We can watch every game from Central Michigan, Cincy, to now and get a feel of what plays there are and the tendencies.

I hope I'm wrong and our OC has tweaked or changed plays every season but if not, I fear we have already become predictable.

You might not have to change staff, but changing philosophies might be needed in THE FUTURE.

Do you think, maybe, they should bring in Coach Fulmer for an in-depth analysis? :crazy:

GO VOLS!

GO VOLS!

 

[volstuff37641]

This thread needs more cowbells.

no,this thread,<board> needs less ------.Freak won'tlet me say it.lol

 

[90 Vol]

This year, no OL. Next year, no QB. The year after that the offense may be clicking but it'll be a rebuilding year for the DL. We've been in this rut for 10 seasons. What we need is to hit the jackpot in recruiting at all positions of need for 2-3 classes in a row.

Agreed. We're seeing a good portion of jackpot #1 on the field this year. Jackpot #2 is in progress as we speak.

 

[chavisut]

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[chavisut]

Yep. Oklahoma is going to be giving ammo to a lot of amateur OCs this season.

How do you think it looked the first two games?

 

[jasonvol18]

I have a theory... and it goes like this.

When you succeed you don't want to change things you are doing. CBJ and Bajakian have had success where they have been. But when you do the same thing over and over, defensive minds will adapt to it eventually.

I'm not saying the system is flawed, I'm saying the system has run it's course and we need to try something new.

The first season at Central Michigan, they were rocking. New system, new everything. Defenses didn't really know what was up.

They get to Cincy and do the same thing and probably tweak some things in the playbook. They got better talent so things are running smooth.

Come to TN and the talent is off the charts but you have better opponents who will scheme better against you.

I don't know of any coach who has stuck with the same OC for more years than Butch has. I'm sure there are some, but I don't know of any personally.

Tons of tapes of games to look at. We can watch every game from Central Michigan, Cincy, to now and get a feel of what plays there are and the tendencies.

I hope I'm wrong and our OC has tweaked or changed plays every season but if not, I fear we have already become predictable.

You might not have to change staff, but changing philosophies might be needed in THE FUTURE.

I will say I'm tired of seeing the Jet Sweep or whatever it's called to Pig Howard. It hasneworked against slow defenses and definitely not against elite ones. Seems we always lose 4-5 yards and start the drive in a hole. I see other teams run it with success but we havent in two yrs for some reason.

 

[99gator]

There is nothing wrong with any system anyone is running.

If you have the right talent, coach it up, and execute, it will work from the wishbone to the run and shoot.

With a suspect offensive line, there is no system that's going to look great.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

We just have to keep the recruiting bus rolling and as long as CBJ and staff are doing that at a high level we'll have to live with the on the field results until such time as its obvious that the talent is not being maximized although that certainly doesn't mean that any of us like losing and that some of us won't complain about it.

 

[chavisut]

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[HuntlandVolinColo]

I agree and maybe the Oline isn't ready for a slew of new plays just yet. But hopefully we can get in a few new wrinkles for gawja.

 

[cwbytruckers]

I know I'm not alone in saying this. Stop with these threads. Its been rode hard and put away wet so many times since CBJ got here. Its not the system. Look at our rushing last year. Its the OL guys. My God what do we have to do to convince you guys to quit making these threads. We are not the only one running this read option. Its a good system. Part of the problem is Worley. He just doesn't trust the read. Or he has no clue how to read it. But its not the system.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Jimmy, you run a wheel route after Joe crosses over you to the middle. Almost like a pic. Johnnys gonna line up to my left and run a fake belly. I'll hit Jimmy. On 67, Ready break!

 

[lonelawyer]

I see posts all the time about changing schemes etc. I realize that defenses adapt, but that doesn't always require throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Quite frankly, if Fulmer had been able to keep Cutcliffe as his permanent OC, he would STILL be the head coach.

Change for the sake of change isn't always the way to go.

 

[kcvols1]

Don't you have homes?

 

[majorvol]

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Best reply yet.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

How do you think it looked the first two games?

Like a work in progress, which is what should be expected when you have to replace all 5 of your offensive lineman, with 2 of the replacements being true freshmen. For some reason, although we knew there was going to be a 100% transformation of the OL this season, it seems to have snuck up on some of our fans.

 

[HBCButch]

I have a theory... and it goes like this.

When you succeed you don't want to change things you are doing. CBJ and Bajakian have had success where they have been. But when you do the same thing over and over, defensive minds will adapt to it eventually.

I'm not saying the system is flawed, I'm saying the system has run it's course and we need to try something new.

The first season at Central Michigan, they were rocking. New system, new everything. Defenses didn't really know what was up.

They get to Cincy and do the same thing and probably tweak some things in the playbook. They got better talent so things are running smooth.

Come to TN and the talent is off the charts but you have better opponents who will scheme better against you.

I don't know of any coach who has stuck with the same OC for more years than Butch has. I'm sure there are some, but I don't know of any personally.

Tons of tapes of games to look at. We can watch every game from Central Michigan, Cincy, to now and get a feel of what plays there are and the tendencies.

I hope I'm wrong and our OC has tweaked or changed plays every season but if not, I fear we have already become predictable.

You might not have to change staff, but changing philosophies might be needed in THE FUTURE.

Or just some stuff that works as long as everyone does what they're supposed to do.

 

[coachjs]

I posted the below statement in the film thread. The Oklahoma game was not about the scheme, as a matter of fact we had a hat on a hat on almost all our option running plays, we just got beat in one on one battles.

I have watched this twice and I first want to say, people need to stop saying Worley needs to run the ball. As someone who coached on a High School staff that ran triple option I can say Worley made one questionable read. Because of Worley making the correct reads, almost every option play had a hat on hat, which is what you are looking for. We had the correct numbers, but our o-line just lost one on one battles, which created no running lanes. The other thing I noticed is the possibilities that are there for the taking if Worley is given a run pass option off of these read plays. We are seeing that with other college teams as well as the Philadelphia Eagles and the S.F. 49rs. There were multiple times that Worley could have pulled the read and hit a WR with blocking in front. I do not know if this is going to be the progression of the offense but it was there for the taking verses Oklahoma. After watching this film I have way more confidence in the offensive scheme but a little nervous with the lack of ability of the o-line to win one on one battles in the run game. This will come with time and experience, but if we can’t start winning some of these battles it’s going to be tough.

No matter what we run the players have to be able to beat the man in front of them more often than not.

 

[HBCButch]

I have a theory... and it goes like this.

When you succeed you don't want to change things you are doing. CBJ and Bajakian have had success where they have been. But when you do the same thing over and over, defensive minds will adapt to it eventually.

I'm not saying the system is flawed, I'm saying the system has run it's course and we need to try something new.

The first season at Central Michigan, they were rocking. New system, new everything. Defenses didn't really know what was up.

They get to Cincy and do the same thing and probably tweak some things in the playbook. They got better talent so things are running smooth.

Come to TN and the talent is off the charts but you have better opponents who will scheme better against you.

I don't know of any coach who has stuck with the same OC for more years than Butch has. I'm sure there are some, but I don't know of any personally.

Tons of tapes of games to look at. We can watch every game from Central Michigan, Cincy, to now and get a feel of what plays there are and the tendencies.

I hope I'm wrong and our OC has tweaked or changed plays every season but if not, I fear we have already become predictable.

You might not have to change staff, but changing philosophies might be needed in THE FUTURE.

"I don't know of any coach who has stuck with the same OC for more years than Butch has. I'm sure there are some, but I don't know of any personally."

Ever hear of a guy named Phil Fulmer? Countless guys in college and the pros who have.