We Need New Plays/Schemes

#51
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coachjs said:
I posted the below statement in the film thread. The Oklahoma game was not about the scheme, as a matter of fact we had a hat on a hat on almost all our option running plays, we just got beat in one on one battles.

I have watched this twice and I first want to say, people need to stop saying Worley needs to run the ball. As someone who coached on a High School staff that ran triple option I can say Worley made one questionable read. Because of Worley making the correct reads, almost every option play had a hat on hat, which is what you are looking for. We had the correct numbers, but our o-line just lost one on one battles, which created no running lanes. The other thing I noticed is the possibilities that are there for the taking if Worley is given a run pass option off of these read plays. We are seeing that with other college teams as well as the Philadelphia Eagles and the S.F. 49rs. There were multiple times that Worley could have pulled the read and hit a WR with blocking in front. I do not know if this is going to be the progression of the offense but it was there for the taking verses Oklahoma. After watching this film I have way more confidence in the offensive scheme but a little nervous with the lack of ability of the o-line to win one on one battles in the run game. This will come with time and experience, but if we can’t start winning some of these battles it’s going to be tough.

No matter what we run the players have to be able to beat the man in front of them more often than not.
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Auburn does the same thing. With great success by the way. It's almost like the staff is not sure how devoted they are to the read option. I'm sure a good portion of that comes down to the having the right personel.

When Jones was hired, I spent some free time watching his previous offenses at Cincinnati and Central Michigan. I like what he does with tight ends and I completely agree that you can utilize one or two athletic tight ends to get and advantage. I'm just not as bought in with the read option stuff.
 
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#52
Wasn't the average weight disparity between our Oline and Okies' Dline huge, something near to 50 lbs?

We heard on Channel 10 Sports how it was speed, getting low, and hands that was the hope of our Oline to be able to win the one-on-one battles against the much bigger line. As coach mentions above, they lost lots of those.

And there it is, youth and inexperience playing up against 'grown ass men'.

But some on here are sick of hearing truth and call it excuses. Winning now is all thst matters, if they cain't win find someone to lay the damned blame at their feet an "fahr thet coach, he ain't good fer nittin'"!
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Wasn't the average weight disparity between our Oline and Okies' Dline huge, something near to 50 lbs?

We heard on Channel 10 Sports how it was speed, getting low, and hands that was the hope of our Oline to be able to win the one-on-one battles against the much bigger line. As coach mentions above, they lost lots of those.

And there it is, youth and inexperience playing up against 'grown ass men'.

But some on here are sick of hearing truth and call it excuses. Winning now is all thst matters, if they cain't win find someone to lay the damned blame at their feet an "fahr thet coach, he ain't good fer nittin'"!
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Winning NOW is'nt all that matters goofball. I know it's a stretch, but some of you UT fans need to gather some brain cells. Forget for a moment that your in the Burger King drive thru and remember that sometimes you have to wait for good things to happen. I'd go into investing and waiting but I'm pretty sure that would be a waste of time.
 
#54
#54
It's a theory.

If they think we're going left maybe we should go right. Wait, they will know we'd think of that so maybe we should go left to confuse them. But maybe they're not that smart so we should go right. However, they think we are foolish enough to try the double bluff so maybe we should go left.
 
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oldfartvol said:
Pick about 20 plays and practice them until the execution is perfect. That should work just fine.

As Bruce Lee once said,(paraphrase)" I don't fear a man with a thousand moves, I fear a man with one move he has practiced a thousand times".:ninja:
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Execution is the key , not the number of plays. Agree
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
What we really need are more fans that think they know more about football than our coaches who are being paid 6 & 7 figure salaries to coach it; that would be just swell.
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Me me me... Pick me!!!!!!!: Quadruple Flea Flicker coming out of the Wishbone!!! Woohoo!!:pepper::bow2::cool2::neener2:
 
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oldfartvol said:
Pick about 20 plays and practice them until the execution is perfect. That should work just fine.

As Bruce Lee once said,(paraphrase)" I don't fear a man with a thousand moves, I fear a man with one move he has practiced a thousand times".:ninja:
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Not to nitpick, but he said "I fear not the man who has practice 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." Sorry I had to in honor of Bruce Lee. :) I do, however, see your point and agree somewhat.
 
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#59
It is not the scheme rather than the execution of the scheme. The tight end is very important to the success of the offense and we are just starting to see that. When we have two tight ends who can execute everything needed for the offense in addition to running backs and WR's who understand their role then we will have a great deal of success. Look at the RB's we have coming in and the WR's....life looks pretty good for the Vols!
 
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From another site...practice report.

Elsewhere, it was a continued emphasis on fundamentals for Tennessee in all aspects. Quarterbacks worked on handoffs from under center, handoffs out of shotgun sets and then worked various footwork drills.
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Well, this is encouraging....I think.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
This year, no OL. Next year, no QB. The year after that the offense may be clicking but it'll be a rebuilding year for the DL. We've been in this rut for 10 seasons. What we need is to hit the jackpot in recruiting at all positions of need for 2-3 classes in a row.
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This. I've also mentioned we always have everything but some main ingredient. Koolaid no sugar. Steak no charcoal. Etc.
 
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#63
Here's a theory. OU is good. Our line is young. Bad combo. Score doesnt reflect the way UT played. Howm many times was Worley hit? If OU didnt get the two picks in the endzone it would have been a diff game too. That game made me more optimistic for the rest of the season. Why all the negativity bout the schemes and plays?
 
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The reason the plays look like they aren't working is because our OL is inexperienced and having trouble holding blocks. I don't know how many times Coleman Thomas (who is a freshman) got beat to the edge as noted by Kirk Herbstreit. The OL will improve with time and experience and so will the execution of the plays..
 
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Dougie_D said:
I have a theory... and it goes like this.

When you succeed you don't want to change things you are doing. CBJ and Bajakian have had success where they have been. But when you do the same thing over and over, defensive minds will adapt to it eventually.

I'm not saying the system is flawed, I'm saying the system has run it's course and we need to try something new.

The first season at Central Michigan, they were rocking. New system, new everything. Defenses didn't really know what was up.

They get to Cincy and do the same thing and probably tweak some things in the playbook. They got better talent so things are running smooth.

Come to TN and the talent is off the charts but you have better opponents who will scheme better against you.

I don't know of any coach who has stuck with the same OC for more years than Butch has. I'm sure there are some, but I don't know of any personally.

Tons of tapes of games to look at. We can watch every game from Central Michigan, Cincy, to now and get a feel of what plays there are and the tendencies.

I hope I'm wrong and our OC has tweaked or changed plays every season but if not, I fear we have already become predictable.

You might not have to change staff, but changing philosophies might be needed in THE FUTURE.
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Wow... Calling for a complete overhaul of the offense three games into the season. Nothing like patience.
 
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MrBiggles said:
The reason the plays look like they aren't working is because our OL is inexperienced and having trouble holding blocks. I don't know how many times Coleman Thomas (who is a freshman) got beat to the edge as noted by Kirk Herbstreit. The OL will improve with time and experience and so will the execution of the plays..
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I think many people don't understand just how much it is asking freshmen to start on the O line, especially last Saturday night.
 
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The difference between Fulmer without Cut and Fulmer with Cut was offensive EXECUTION... not scheme.

In short, the scheme is fine. The quality of the team will be dependent on player development, talent, playcalling, and execution.

Execution is vastly more important than scheme.
 
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sjt18 said:
The difference between Fulmer without Cut and Fulmer with Cut was offensive EXECUTION... not scheme.

In short, the scheme is fine. The quality of the team will be dependent on player development, talent, playcalling, and execution.

Execution is vastly more important than scheme.
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Then have our players execute plays that our coaches know they can succeed at 90 percent or more. Not that hard. If you run the sweep 3 times and it never works regardless of why, don't call it.
 
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