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[bignewt]

What are you calling border security?

I'm libertarian, I don't believe in strict border enforcement or drug laws for that matter. Having security at major points of entry to control livestock and goods is sufficient in my mind. I also want to severely cut welfare and taxation. Your "illegals" will not be so keen to cross over if they can't suck the welfare teat. If they want to come to do honest work for honest pay like the vast majority do then I say let them.

 

[hndog609]

You missed the whole point.

Are you also for a continuous wall along the Canadian border? How many illegals will have to enter through the Canadian border before you would be?

Unless and until illegal crossings of the Northern border compare, even remotely, to the numbers of those on the Southern your question, and everything defending it since, is meaningless. There is no other "point".

 

[NorthDallas40]

Illegals pay taxes? How does that work?

Actually I think it was huff that alluded to illegals using fake SSN’s to pay into the system without any means of filing a tax form or collect SS so they are thus a net positive in that respect. No, I don’t agree with the premise.

 

[Mick]

Unless and until illegal crossings of the Northern border compare, even remotely, to the numbers of those on the Southern your question, and everything defending it since, is meaningless. There is no other "point".

You're for open borders?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm libertarian, I don't believe in strict border enforcement or drug laws for that matter. Having security at major points of entry to control livestock and goods is sufficient in my mind. I also want to severely cut welfare and taxation. Your "illegals" will not be so keen to cross over if they can't suck the welfare teat. If they want to come to do honest work for honest pay like the vast majority do then I say let them.

Have you read the debates even within the libertarian party on this? It’s correct that classic libertarianism doesn’t support closed borders but a debate is emerging on the topic.

 

[InVOLuntary]

They are both borders we share with neighboring countries that are being crossed by illegal aliens; one increasingly so (Canada) and one decreasingly so (Mexico).

You need to change your screen name to looneyvol. You are so far detached from reality that you can't even have an intelligent conversation with you. I feel sorry for you and those that have to be around you and care for you.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm libertarian, I don't believe in strict border enforcement or drug laws for that matter. Having security at major points of entry to control livestock and goods is sufficient in my mind. I also want to severely cut welfare and taxation. Your "illegals" will not be so keen to cross over if they can't suck the welfare teat. If they want to come to do honest work for honest pay like the vast majority do then I say let them.

You really the second they cross and are picked up by border patrol then you are paying for their housing, healthcare, education, and food? If you don't really care who comes into the country and there should be no border security at all then there is no point in discussing.

 

[bignewt]

You really the second they cross and are picked up by border patrol then you are paying for their housing, healthcare, education, and food? If you don't really care who comes into the country and there should be no border security at all then there is no point in discussing.

Did you see where I believe in doing away with the welfare state? Seriously you guys need to live in a border state for a while to really see it with your own eyes instead of the Ivory Tower of middle America.

 

[luthervol]

You're for open borders?

He's some sort of socialist/globalist that hates law abiding Americans.

 

[hndog609]

You're for open borders?

No. Where is this going? And just to save some possible downstream typing if you're going to try suggesting we have "open" borders to the North we don't. The discussion is predicated on us having a much greater exploitation of our border to the South and possible means of addressing that issue. (precisely what that last bit means is open to a broader discussion)

 

[bignewt]

Have you read the debates even within the libertarian party on this? It’s correct that classic libertarianism doesn’t support closed borders but a debate is emerging on the topic.

Yes and the debate is centered around the welfare state it seems.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Did you see where I believe in doing away with the welfare state? Seriously you guys need to live in a border state for a while to really see it with your own eyes instead of the Ivory Tower of middle America.

You're an anarchist. A total unguarded and unregulated open border will result in anarchy in months.

 

[bignewt]

No. That is fear driving you.

 

[volfanhill]

Have you read the debates even within the libertarian party on this? It’s correct that classic libertarianism doesn’t support closed borders but a debate is emerging on the topic.

Libertarians debate everything

 

[Mick]

No. Where is this going? And just to save some possible downstream typing if you're going to try suggesting we have "open" borders to the North we don't. The discussion is predicated on us having a much greater exploitation of our border to the South and possible means of addressing that issue. (precisely what that last bit means is open to a broader discussion)

Do you know where they are really exploiting our borders to the south? Ports of entry. Some people want to build a wall out in the middle of the desert before we even properly secure our ports of entry.

 

[hndog609]

Do you know where they are really exploiting our borders to the south? Ports of entry. Some people want to build a wall out in the middle of the desert before we even properly secure our ports of entry.

I have no issues with stating that's a cart before the horse approach.

 

[Hunerwadel]

I'm libertarian, I don't believe in strict border enforcement or drug laws for that matter. Having security at major points of entry to control livestock and goods is sufficient in my mind. I also want to severely cut welfare and taxation. Your "illegals" will not be so keen to cross over if they can't suck the welfare teat. If they want to come to do honest work for honest pay like the vast majority do then I say let them.

Ever wonder why there are so few Libertarians?

 

[bignewt]

Libertarians debate everything

Its healthy.

 

[bignewt]

Ever wonder why there are so few Libertarians?

Two party ignorance.

 

[volfanhill]

Its healthy.

Ordinarily I would agree but you guys can’t seem to get on the same page about most things. It’s why you haven’t any real traction.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yes and the debate is centered around the welfare state it seems.

So I saw one debate extrapolating illegal immigrants as trespassers. As a libertarian that’s a fairly serious social crime violating the “get off my lawn” tenet. There are right side thinking libertarians putting forth arguments trying to conform within the classical tenets which I think is telling in and of itself.

 

[luthervol]

No. Where is this going? And just to save some possible downstream typing if you're going to try suggesting we have "open" borders to the North we don't. The discussion is predicated on us having a much greater exploitation of our border to the South and possible means of addressing that issue. (precisely what that last bit means is open to a broader discussion)

I'll give it one more go. If we don't have open borders to the north, then that must mean we have border security to the north, just not to the extent as we do to the south, and that's because the southern border is where the vast majority of illegals have been crossing. I think everyone agrees on those points.

The disagreement comes on how much border security is needed, what form it should take, and where money can be most wisely spent. That's fine and good and as it should be. The right's continued bellowing that anyone who does not support Trump's "wall" is some sort of open border loving socialist/globalist is asinine. Trump chose to poison the debate. He chose to tout some 30 foot high concrete wall from sea to sea that Mexico would pay for. All of Trump's calculated hate speak has come home to roost. Everyone had to have known that it would.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ordinarily I would agree but you guys can’t seem to get on the same page about most things. It’s why you haven’t any real traction.

I do think this is a very common perception.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Do you know where they are really exploiting our borders to the south? Ports of entry. Some people want to build a wall out in the middle of the desert before we even properly secure our ports of entry.

 

[Mick]

Border agency shares video of migrants scaling wall with ladder