We will start ALOT of Freshman next year

#51
#51
If that many freshman are starting or getting serious playing time, next year is gonna be a disaster...
 
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Batman1948 said:
I guess you believe that a defense full of high school players can hang with Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, LSU just because some of them have speed. That's almost like saying the top tier of the SEC can play with any team in the NFL :):):)
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I guess you believe our current upperclassmen can hang with those teams because they lack any speed.
 
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I'm not convinced Hurd will start. Lane is a solid back, so I think he starts and it'll be between Hurd, Smith, and Summerhill on who is on the 2- and 3-deep respectively. Regardless, they'll all see snaps, UNLESS Hurd is the '4th string' and Butch wants to keep his redshirt. I think we all know that Butch likes preserving that.

All of the JUCOs will start -- Weatherd, Lambert, Blair, Pearson... Reed or Lamin, whichever we may (or may not) pick up.

After that, it just depends on who wins different positions. If I had to guess, I think it'd be easier to say who would NOT be in the 2-deep rotation in SOME form or fashion, and I think that'll be Dews, E Moseley, Mixon, Raulerson and possibly Booth / Elliot Berry / Creamer.
 
#56
#56
Sooo what I am seeing in this thread is that instead of using the argument of lack of talent/ depth next years threads will read lackof experience/depth.

PS you are welcome I just saved everyone from an entire season of reading more excuses.
 
#57
#57
Batman1948 said:
I guess you believe that a defense full of high school players can hang with Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, LSU just because some of them have speed. That's almost like saying the top tier of the SEC can play with any team in the NFL :):):)
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what you are failing to realize we will have 11 or more EE's and That includes Hurd, Booth, Creamer, Wolf, Thomas, and payne plus the JUCO EE's of Pearson, Blair, Lambert, and Weatherd.

You are no superhero Batman because you must be blind. the upperclassmen this year did not compete with Bama or Auburn and Lost to a Georgia team decimated by injuries in close game.
 
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KBVol said:
Hope like hell AJ takes some bad advice and moves on to preparing for the NFL Draft. We need new blood ASAP. Excited to get Maggitt back, see what Reeves-Maybin and the highly rated freshmen lbs can do.
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Hope like hell you're wrong. AJ gets criticized a lot for his lack of overall speed, but not once do you ever see him giving up on a play. He's a run stuffer, and a damn good tackler for the most part. If he gets ahold of you, you're going down. Simple as that. On top of all that, he's all over the field, because our other LB's are usually out of position on every play. I hope he stays. Johnson, Maggitt, Reeves-Maybin, Weathered, Bates, Mouhon, and Bryant would be some serious talent at the LB position.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
I would much rather play with 16 freshman then the upperclassman we are playing with now. Since 2010 we are 20-27 so I do not think playing 16 true freshman will hurt that much, I will take the speed and athleticism over the so called "experience" any day.
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Well, that makes no sense. Experience is HUGE. But it takes speed, athleticism, AND experience in the SEC. Sure, Saban and Miles start a very few freshmen but the bulk of their starters are upperclassmen. So are most of the 2 deep. That's what stable programs do.
There was a reason for the Freshmen and Varsity teams before it got too expensive and the NCAA allowed freshmen on the varsity. Boys become men between 18 to 21 or 22. Think about playing a high school freshmen team against a bunch of juniors and seniors. The difference in SEC play is much greater, especially with 2 or 3 yrs modern Strength & Conditiong.

Starting that many freshmen also means there is zero depth.

Bottom line. It's what pretty much has to be done, but I don't care if Neyland, Lombardy, and the Gipper all came down from heaven and took over coaching:

DO NOT EXPECT THESE NEXT TWO YEARS TO BE MUCH MORE THAN REGROWING A COMPLETE TEAM. THEN IT WILL TAKE THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO GET A TOP TIER SEC DEPTH CHART TO GRT TO THE SEC CG AND THAT DOSEN'T MEAN WIN IT.

Yeah, I said it, about five years of not just good, but great recruiting, for those players to mature into men not boys and those behind them are just reloading.
 
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#61
#61
16 starting freshman = worse season
no matter how good they are.
16 contributing freshman is much more likely
 
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voladdiction said:
I agree that we will likely see a large number of the 2014 class have significant playing time next year. But 16 starters by the end of the season sounds ridiculously large.

Here's who I think may earn a starting position by the season's end (based on the incredibly subjective and unscientific "eye-ball test" of HS highlights!!!)

RB - Jalen Hurd
WR - Lavon Pearson
OL - Dontavius Blair
K - Aaron Medley

DL - DeWayne Hendrix or DaVonte Lambert
LB - Chris Weatherd (Dillon Bates will likely be in 2 deep)
DB - Todd Kelly Jr. Brian Randolph and Cam Sutton are going to keep their starting jobs, I'm pretty sure. McNeill will likely lose his starting safety roll to Kelly Jr. McDowell is a safety, so where does he fit? Maybe nickel package? Payne will have to compete with Lemond Johnson and Riyahd Jones to take Coleman's spot (if someone is going to replace a Sr cornerback). Can't forget about Rashaan Gaulden, who is a player(!), but not sure where he fits in as a frosh.


Who am I missing/forgetting?
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Lane will start before Hurd, unless Hurd is the nex Herschel Walker.
 
#63
#63
How about Cecil Cherry. The guy is an FEB (Football Explosive Device)

When asked about money for college players, he said something like, "Don't care about that, I just want to hit somebody!"

He's a Cherry, Cherry, Cherry ... BOMB!:rock::fireworks:

Class of 2015, gotta wait ...:cray:
 
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NEOCON said:
I would dare say that all of the class coming in will be in the two deep next year save maybe a slight few (2 to 3) that will redshirt and many will start.

Our team will look completely different and while we will be very young there is no way in hell that you can convince me or CBJ that Kelly JR etc should not be a starter.

I am predicting 16 freshman starters/ incoming Jucos next year by the end of the season.
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that would be a first in NCAA history. :)

Jones will not come close to that. that would lead to the most losses in Tennessee history... The number of freshman starters this year has been a big number..
 
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touch44 said:
McNeil was favorite recruit of his class but he looked extremely slow yesterday.. Hard hitter.. But his speed is marginal tkj needs to replace him
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He may be a hard hitter when he makes a tackle but more often than not he dives at the legs of the ball carrier and then slides off. Just like nearly every other player on defense not named Sutton.
 
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#66
I'm sure many thought Drae Bowles would be a starter this year. You never know who is going to be a star until it happens. Fun to discuss though for sure.
 
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#67
This is the dumbest thread ever. Who could be stupid enough to think that damn near an entire recruiting class will be in the two deep in year one?? Besides the returners we have you also have to consider this years redshirts that will add to the depth charts next year. I can't see too many of the new offensive recruits making a dent besides at RB. No receivers or OL will make a dent, maybe two at best. Defense has a chance, but all of the DB's will be back and a year better. If ten of next years class makes an impact I will be shocked. If 16 are in the two deep then get ready for a sub .500 team.
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I believe that the WRs will be North, Howard/Jenkins/Johnson/maybe Wharton in the slot, and Pearson, with Malone or Croom when we go to 4 WRs. TE will have Wolfe and or Helm getting time. The O line will probably have Blair out there, with Thomas getting some time. He is an EE.

The D line should have all the JUCOs in play, whomever they are. Lamin and Lambert are ready. We should have a number of options at DE. Next year we will be adding Lambert, Brown(RS), Vickers(RS), Miller(RS), Hendrix and Barnett who are ready, Mixon, who will be ready(EE), Henderson, as well as Lewis who has played very little but has speed. There will be depth and talent at DE. At LB, Bates looks ready to be in the two deep and probably Mouhon. AJ will look a lot better when we have competent OLBs. I think out of Maggitt, Weatherd, Bates, Jalen R-M and Mouhon, you will have a much better LB corps.

About the secondary, everyone is back, but Sutton and Randolph may be the only guys still starting. Kelly Jr, Gaulden or McDowell will be at the nickel and probably at the other S. IMO, Kelly Jr with Randolph and Gaulden at the nickel. Payne, Moseley, Gaulden and Jones will challenge Coleman for the other CB spot, and I don't believe that Coleman will remain a starter.

You don't want any overall position group to be made up of a majority of freshmen, though I feel that a single freshmen in a group in OK if the others have experience. There are some real difference makers coming in, so I think a few will start, but not 16.
 
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I think bUTch will redshirt as many as possible to give them time to bulk up with muscle and learn everything really well.

He knows that next season he's basically starting all over again with a whole new O line and D line and many other positions so he'll want to use as many upperclassmen and Sophs as he can and have as many redshirts ready to start the season after next when Tennessee can explode on the scene and stun several teams early in the season like floriDUHHH and UGa.

I still think next season is a 6 Win year unfortunately.

Experience in the SEC does mean a great deal.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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AllVolForLife_16 said:
Hope like hell you're wrong. AJ gets criticized a lot for his lack of overall speed, but not once do you ever see him giving up on a play. He's a run stuffer, and a damn good tackler for the most part. If he gets ahold of you, you're going down. Simple as that. On top of all that, he's all over the field, because our other LB's are usually out of position on every play. I hope he stays. Johnson, Maggitt, Reeves-Maybin, Weathered, Bates, Mouhon, and Bryant would be some serious talent at the LB position.
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Fair enough. AJ is a good run stuffer in the middle but he has little lateral "sideline to sideline" speed is a major liability in space, in pass coverage. I probably was a little emotional when I posted that after the Auburn game. I will say that for him to be an effective MLB for us we have to surround him with 2 very physical, very fast OLBs so that he can do what he does best... tackle guys in the middle of the field, close to the line of scrimmage. Hope Bates, Weatherd, Dews or somebody not yet committed fit the bill.
 
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tarvol73 said:
I believe that the WRs will be North, Howard/Jenkins/Johnson/maybe Wharton in the slot, and Pearson, with Malone or Croom when we go to 4 WRs. TE will have Wolfe and or Helm getting time. The O line will probably have Blair out there, with Thomas getting some time. He is an EE.

The D line should have all the JUCOs in play, whomever they are. Lamin and Lambert are ready. We should have a number of options at DE. Next year we will be adding Lambert, Brown(RS), Vickers(RS), Miller(RS), Hendrix and Barnett who are ready, Mixon, who will be ready(EE), Henderson, as well as Lewis who has played very little but has speed. There will be depth and talent at DE. At LB, Bates looks ready to be in the two deep and probably Mouhon. AJ will look a lot better when we have competent OLBs. I think out of Maggitt, Weatherd, Bates, Jalen R-M and Mouhon, you will have a much better LB corps.

About the secondary, everyone is back, but Sutton and Randolph may be the only guys still starting. Kelly Jr, Gaulden or McDowell will be at the nickel and probably at the other S. IMO, Kelly Jr with Randolph and Gaulden at the nickel. Payne, Moseley, Gaulden and Jones will challenge Coleman for the other CB spot, and I don't believe that Coleman will remain a starter.

You don't want any overall position group to be made up of a majority of freshmen, though I feel that a single freshmen in a group in OK if the others have experience. There are some real difference makers coming in, so I think a few will start, but not 16.
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Pearson will start opposite North.
 
#72
#72
We're basically going to be putting an all-star high-school team out on the field
 
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NEOCON said:
I would dare say that all of the class coming in will be in the two deep next year save maybe a slight few (2 to 3) that will redshirt and many will start.

Our team will look completely different and while we will be very young there is no way in hell that you can convince me or CBJ that Kelly JR etc should not be a starter.

I am predicting 16 freshman starters/ incoming Jucos next year by the end of the season.
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I agree with your thinking but it is saying a lot that 16true freshmen will be able to start. Now, that being said, both the offensive and defensive lines will have to use true freshmen next year. Also, as the season progresses, I would expect to see some start. We need all of the speed that we can get at linebacker and in the secondary so I would agree that several freshmen will see a lot of playing time.

On the offensive side, I believe that Dobbs will be the starter and North, Smith and Howard the receivers. Croom and Johnson will relieve. As for freshmen, if they can break into the lineup, GREAT! Marlin Lane will be the starting running back but I do believe that Hurd and Paulk will get meaningful reps.

You might be right, but 16 is a lot. I am already excited about next season. Good Post!!
 
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