weekly's lost.

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SouthKnoxVOL said:
Like I said....everyone becomes a coach when UT loses.
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Your right man.......I ve been involved many sports via coach and player. Just because they are UT coaches doesn't warrant them better. I damn sure know I can coach baseball and offensive football as well as work on your golf swing. If I pursued it, I know I could go further. The difference is I didn't want to make a living at it.


With a 3-1 lead the outfield should have been playing deep. If so the ball would have been caught and if it wasn't she would have had a single.

Oh, and if it was 7th to 8 th inning, leave Ellen in....Tennessee has never went that long in a game, especially a pitcher. Change of pitching sytle would have had them off balance.

BAD COACHING! END OF STORY! BUT, COACHING AND TOTAL TEAM PLAY GOT US HERE. I STILL LOVE THE WEEKLY'S. THEY AS WELL AS GIBSON NEED TO TAKE THIS ONE.

And don't give me its the whole game and we had chances. Everyone knows you play up to the moment to win. Gibson had bad drop....but after that and a slap triple.....Ellen should have been pulled.

GO VOLS!!!!
 
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The Weekly's blew this one, big-time. Ellen was struggling--no pace on the ball, grooving it down the middle. I can't imagine why they did not bring in Ivy to face the slap jitters. I said it four times in the inning: you better bring in Ivy. Shocking loss. I could not sleep last I was so po'd. All year they bring in one sister to relieve the other, and then they dont do it in biggest game of year. Ellen pitched a masterpiece and we choked.
 
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And yes the center fielder should have been deeper precisely so you don't give up a ball in gap or over your head in that situation. Oh, my.
 
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I do believe a fresh Ivy would have been far more effective in the bottom of the inning after UT scored three runs. She certainly should have come in when it got to 3-2.

You just can't give a team like Oklahoma extra outs. Not in front of their home fans in a situation like that. The missed pop-up was glaring, and Melissa Brown also had a shot at an over-the-shoulder catch in foul territory moments before (though that is a difficult play). I don't fault her there, but it's just another example of the opportunity we had to out it away.

The biggest gaffe in my opinion came with Tennessee still nursing a 3-2 lead with two outs, and an 0-2 count on the Oklahoma batter. Ellen lobs a grapefruit in there and she belts it for the game-tying run. Why in the world do you even put a ball near the strike zone in that situation??? That girl was looking to slap and would have swung at nearly anything, and we (collectively "we" as I'm not sure whose decision it was to pitch to her) decide to give her something over the plate. That decision blows my mind. I don't know if Ralph and Karen decided to pitch to her, or if Ellen just missed in her location. The catcher didn't move a whole lot on the pitch which leads me to believe the ball went near it's intended location. I just don't know why you don't throw her a chest-high fastball there. Dont give that girl a chance with an 0-2 count. The odds are entirely in your favor.
 
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Anybody else out there have 20:20 Hindsight besides me?

She was out at 3rd!

p.s.......Umpires hate UT :p
 
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mscox75 said:
Your right man.......I ve been involved many sports via coach and player. Just because they are UT coaches doesn't warrant them better. I damn sure know I can coach baseball and offensive football as well as work on your golf swing. If I pursued it, I know I could go further. The difference is I didn't want to make a living at it.


With a 3-1 lead the outfield should have been playing deep. If so the ball would have been caught and if it wasn't she would have had a single.

Oh, and if it was 7th to 8 th inning, leave Ellen in....Tennessee has never went that long in a game, especially a pitcher. Change of pitching sytle would have had them off balance.

BAD COACHING! END OF STORY! BUT, COACHING AND TOTAL TEAM PLAY GOT US HERE. I STILL LOVE THE WEEKLY'S. THEY AS WELL AS GIBSON NEED TO TAKE THIS ONE.

And don't give me its the whole game and we had chances. Everyone knows you play up to the moment to win. Gibson had bad drop....but after that and a slap triple.....Ellen should have been pulled.

GO VOLS!!!!
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Seriously? I agree that a big part of the loss was on the coaches and they should have pulled ellen. I find it hilarious when somebody has to come on here a prove self worth. What are you 10, trying to prove to your buddies that you could make it pro in sports but you just really dont want to? Wow!
 
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Shaun1985 said:
absolutely not. Tennessee showed heart and played their tails off. They had no business shutting Oklahoma up for that long. It was an amazing effort and I couldn't be anymore pumped.. If our other teams played with the determination that these girls have this season, we're in great shape all around.
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Not what I'm saying talking in terms of things going wrong bad luck etc.
 
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Should have brought in IVy after being up 3-0 for the save. It does not excuse the weak play by the 1st baseman dropping the routine pop-up. It is the coaches responsibilty to also move the OF's back and not let anything get behind them. Great effort by the kids tonight (Ellen especially) to be overshadowed by some bad mistakes by the coaches and players.
 
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armchair said:
The Weekly's blew this one, big-time. Ellen was struggling--no pace on the ball, grooving it down the middle. I can't imagine why they did not bring in Ivy to face the slap jitters. I said it four times in the inning: you better bring in Ivy. Shocking loss. I could not sleep last I was so po'd. All year they bring in one sister to relieve the other, and then they dont do it in biggest game of year. Ellen pitched a masterpiece and we choked.
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I kind of always wondered this _ which Weekly makes the big decisions ? - like the pitching changes -- we most all watch MLB and see relivers like Mariano Rivera come in after a lead and shut down the opponet but.... sometimes he doesnt> On the flip side the LVs have a fresh Ivy going tonight and Ricketts most likely for OU all 3 games - she has to wear down like Luna did. Win or lose - this has been a season to remember :clap:
 
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The shame is that in that profession the only basis for an opinion of a good decision or a bad one is a win or a loss.

I could follow the logic of tennessee's moves.

The truly stupid coaching move was the Oklahoma coach sending a runner to third twice.

But, Oklahoma won.

Umpire should have called the runner out at third on principle.
 
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The pop being dropped can happen to anybody with a 20+ mph wind pushing it from foul ground into play. That didn't cost the game any more than the ump not calling the obvious third strike before the OK player hits the double. I agree that this is on the coaches. Ellen had just pitched out of a bases loaded jam the inning before. She was clearly losing her handle. It was time for sister relief. Also anybody that knows anything about softball and baseball knows to position the OF deeper to keep the play in front of you and limit the extra base hits when you have a 3 run lead. Beyond dumb.

Will see what the team is made of today with their backs against the wall. The players have been resilient in the past, but OK is a really strong team. Proud of how far they have made it.
 
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Bad coaching at the end and a teerrible error. That loss summed up the state of affairs in the UT athletic department.
 
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Last night was an epic effort all around. Oklahoma is a step above every team out there including Tennessee, but last night Tennessee had the chance the slay the giant and put all the pressure on them for tonight. The Weekly's choked, though. They proved that while they can get there, they still can't win the big one. Their team blew the SEC Championship, the blew the NCAA championship with Abbott (when they clearly had the same advantage this Oklahoma team has), and they blew it last night.

The Weekly's are obviously great coaches, as good as any around, but they struggle in the big ones. No shame there, but they failed to adjust. When you are a massive underdog like that playing against a better team, you have to adjust. Oklahoma didn't have to adjust - they just had to hope their horses finally wore TN down and TN wouldn't adjust. That's what happened. The umpire blew the call at 3rd - at least argue a little bit. The strike zones in this tournament have sucked the entire time. Say something. They only didn't just leave Ellen too long, but their pitch calling that last AB stunk. The game tying hit was from one of Oklahoma's worst hitters who couldn't catch up to Ellen's heat all night. So what does Karen call? An offspeed pitch that she catches up to. Ivy would have closed out that game, but so would have Ellen with proper pitch calling.
 
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bjsvols1 said:
Last night was an epic effort all around. Oklahoma is a step above every team out there including Tennessee, but last night Tennessee had the chance the slay the giant and put all the pressure on them for tonight. The Weekly's choked, though. They proved that while they can get there, they still can't win the big one. Their team blew the SEC Championship, the blew the NCAA championship with Abbott (when they clearly had the same advantage this Oklahoma team has), and they blew it last night.

The Weekly's are obviously great coaches, as good as any around, but they struggle in the big ones. No shame there, but they failed to adjust. When you are a massive underdog like that playing against a better team, you have to adjust. Oklahoma didn't have to adjust - they just had to hope their horses finally wore TN down and TN wouldn't adjust. That's what happened. The umpire blew the call at 3rd - at least argue a little bit. The strike zones in this tournament have sucked the entire time. Say something. They only didn't just leave Ellen too long, but their pitch calling that last AB stunk. The game tying hit was from one of Oklahoma's worst hitters who couldn't catch up to Ellen's heat all night. So what does Karen call? An offspeed pitch that she catches up to. Ivy would have closed out that game, but so would have Ellen with proper pitch calling.
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THIS^ all of it :salute:
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
Bad coaching at the end and a teerrible error. That loss summed up the state of affairs in the UT athletic department.
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In my dream world would the state of affairs in the UT athletic department consist of finishing 3rd/4th, 7th/8th, and 2nd three out of that last four years, in not even every sport, but the most publicized ones.

Get in touch with reality.
 
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Bodeydad said:
I agree completely this game was on the coaches. You bring a fresh Ivy in and she saves the game. I am actually sick at my stomach. How sad!
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Or Ivy comes in, Oklahoma rocks her because they hit hard pitching vs spinning (Which Ellen does), and we lose and you can question why they made that move since Ellen did so well up to that point. Hindsight is 20/20...
 
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A dropped ball down the first base line got us. If the catch made then this thread wouldn't have even popped up.
 
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I just don't get general defensive strategy in girls softball. Why in the world was the outfield playing shallow with 2 outs and a 2 run lead. The ball that lead to the triple should have never been over the fielders head. You got to keep the ball in front of you in that situation, the runner on second meant nothing!
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Everything he said was spot on. No reason to leave Ellen in, terrible defensive positioning with a two run lead. Pretty poor coaching.
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This! As a coach, you never pinch your defensive in like that. You always leave them in a position to keep every ball in front of them with a lead that late in the game.

The players played their hearts out but if there's blame to go around it definitely goes on the coaches.

Hopefully they can bounce back tonight. Tough measure though.
 
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I don't know much about women's softball. But I do know in baseball if a pitcher is struggling like that at the end and you have managed to get a few runs ahead then you pull them and let someone else pitch that inning. At the very least a change should have been made during the inning once OK had cut the lead.

But it seems like women's softball doesn't have any concept of what a relief pitcher or a closer is. Maybe there is a reason for that but if so it is not readily apparent.
 
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Peyton Berry said:
I said soon as Madison hit the 3 run homer Ivy needs to come in for the save. Ellen was already leaving some pitches out over the plate, and was at like 160 pitches already. Don't understand that decision at all.

Have no problem with the defensive positioning against the slap hitters, they are called slap hitters for a reason.
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Disagree with everything you said.


Having coached fastpitch for over 25 years, I have seen slappers bounce it off the fence more than once. You CAN slap with power.

Ellen had plenty of gas left in the tank. My daughter was a pitcher and has pitched (and won) 5 games in a High School tourney in one day. One of those games going 11 innings.

The underhand pitching motion (as opposed to overhand) is a natural motion and does not damage the arm and shoulder if done properly.

Humans are the only species who throw overhanded.

We lost because our outfield was playing too shallow against their slappers and got burned.

Great effort by all, hope we can come back tonight.:rock:
 
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