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#51
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trbonevol said:
I just don't get general defensive strategy in girls softball. Why in the world was the outfield playing shallow with 2 outs and a 2 run lead. The ball that lead to the triple should have never been over the fielders head. You got to keep the ball in front of you in that situation, the runner on second meant nothing!
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The problem I think with what you are suggesting is that this was the slap hitting portion of the lineup. Not only that, but can Oklahoma slap hit in a more "versatile" way in that have the ability to slap for a triple or sac bunt. Really unpredictable one honestly.

If you are playing percentages, it is much harder for these slappers to hit over the heads of outfielders than bloop one (similar to what Tori Lewis did to Washington to win the game) between the infielders and outfielders. On its face you can say yes I'll take letting them hit to shallow outfield and keeping the ball in front of them. However, since that play is much easier there was a greater likelihood they would continue to poke the ball there and then all of a sudden you have bases loaded off multiple singles.

Bottom line in my opinion is that Oklahoma not only made the hits they needed to but to some extend lucky because of the placement of those hits was nearly perfect.
 
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SCowlsVOL said:
A dropped ball down the first base line got us. If the catch made then this thread wouldn't have even popped up.
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That is correct but it would not have changed the fact that the things people are complaining about were not easily avoidable mistakes. It would just mean that they were mistakes that did not cost us the game. Better not to make the mistakes in either case.
 
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#53
You win as a team, and you lose as a team. Blame goes around to everyone. Obviously, it was a tough play for Gibson, but one that she can make.

I have never had anything to do with women's softball, but I have played alot of baseball. I know it's Monday morning quarterbacking, but I also questioned why they didn't consider Ivy. I understand that the throwing motion is natural, but at some point, you just get tired. Even after tying it, I thought they might pitch Ivy in the 12th. Tough, tough loss.
 
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99gator said:
The shame is that in that profession the only basis for an opinion of a good decision or a bad one is a win or a loss.

I could follow the logic of tennessee's moves.

The truly stupid coaching move was the Oklahoma coach sending a runner to third twice.

But, Oklahoma won.



Umpire should have called the runner out at third on principle.
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Talk to me when your team is in the finals.. Oh thats right we beat y'all
 
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RICK0380 said:
Coaches lost this game. When ellen started struggling in the 11th and the game was 3-1 they should have brought ivy in. Great coaching gets us here but horrible coaching beats us tonight
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Why would you take Ellen out? She was arguably out pitching the best pitcher in the game. She wanted thst game more than anyone in the stadium. You don't take her out. I'm proud they chose to win or die by Ellen last night.
 
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bjsvols1 said:
Last night was an epic effort all around. Oklahoma is a step above every team out there including Tennessee, but last night Tennessee had the chance the slay the giant and put all the pressure on them for tonight. The Weekly's choked, though. They proved that while they can get there, they still can't win the big one. Their team blew the SEC Championship, the blew the NCAA championship with Abbott (when they clearly had the same advantage this Oklahoma team has), and they blew it last night.

The Weekly's are obviously great coaches, as good as any around, but they struggle in the big ones. No shame there, but they failed to adjust. When you are a massive underdog like that playing against a better team, you have to adjust. Oklahoma didn't have to adjust - they just had to hope their horses finally wore TN down and TN wouldn't adjust. That's what happened. The umpire blew the call at 3rd - at least argue a little bit. The strike zones in this tournament have sucked the entire time. Say something. They only didn't just leave Ellen too long, but their pitch calling that last AB stunk. The game tying hit was from one of Oklahoma's worst hitters who couldn't catch up to Ellen's heat all night. So what does Karen call? An offspeed pitch that she catches up to. Ivy would have closed out that game, but so would have Ellen with proper pitch calling.
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I agree on the pitch calling. I touched on it earlier. With a hitter down 0-2 in the count with two outs and the lead, why do you even throw the ball across the plate. That girl was looking to slap anything thrown at her. Put one around 68mph at chin level and the game is over. That off-speed grapefruit over the outer half of the plate was exactly what that girl wanted, and we served it up on a platter.
 
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oldfartvol said:
Disagree with everything you said.


Having coached fastpitch for over 25 years, I have seen slappers bounce it off the fence more than once. You CAN slap with power.

Ellen had plenty of gas left in the tank. My daughter was a pitcher and has pitched (and won) 5 games in a High School tourney in one day. One of those games going 11 innings.

The underhand pitching motion (as opposed to overhand) is a natural motion and does not damage the arm and shoulder if done properly.

Humans are the only species who throw overhanded.

We lost because our outfield was playing too shallow against their slappers and got burned.

Great effort by all, hope we can come back tonight.:rock:
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left in the tank because she got hit pretty hard in the 13th. Yes, underhanded softball pitchers can throw a large number of pitchers--but that doesn't mean that their bodies and their minds get tired--they do. Legs get tired. Ellen was grooving the ball right over the middle of the plate. The thing is, the coaches have a well-established pattern of bringing one of the sisters in to relief the other--they do it ALL THE TIME. Last night they didn't do it, and we got burned. I frankly don't see us recovering from this debacle, but I hope I'm wrong. To say we blew it last night would be an understatement. The Weeklys have done a FANTASTIC job with the program, but in baseball/softball knowing when to replace your pitcher is a big decision and a big deal.
 
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SCowlsVOL said:
A dropped ball down the first base line got us. If the catch made then this thread wouldn't have even popped up.
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Correct it left the door open , but it wasn't the Weekly's fault that the wind blew the back into fair territory . That was a bad break for our talented and lovely ladies. I'm not saying you blamed the coaches.
 
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armchair said:
left in the tank because she got hit pretty hard in the 13th. Yes, underhanded softball pitchers can throw a large number of pitchers--but that doesn't mean that their bodies and their minds get tired--they do. Legs get tired. Ellen was grooving the ball right over the middle of the plate. The thing is, the coaches have a well-established pattern of bringing one of the sisters in to relief the other--they do it ALL THE TIME. Last night they didn't do it, and we got burned. I frankly don't see us recovering from this debacle, but I hope I'm wrong. To say we blew it last night would be an understatement. The Weeklys have done a FANTASTIC job with the program, but in baseball/softball knowing when to replace your pitcher is a big decision and a big deal.
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All is not lost, our ladies can play with those okies They are Tennessee. Raven and Lauren have been invited to Team USA tryout camp! :yes:
 
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trbonevol said:
I just don't get general defensive strategy in girls softball. Why in the world was the outfield playing shallow with 2 outs and a 2 run lead. The ball that lead to the triple should have never been over the fielders head. You got to keep the ball in front of you in that situation, the runner on second meant nothing!
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We have a winner. My thoughts exactly. I was not upset she was still pitching at all but in NO WAY do you play that shallow with ANY hitter. That is what puzzles me with the staff on this one. We had them where we needed them but now the road just got really rocky IMO.
 
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armchair said:
left in the tank because she got hit pretty hard in the 13th. Yes, underhanded softball pitchers can throw a large number of pitchers--but that doesn't mean that their bodies and their minds get tired--they do. Legs get tired. Ellen was grooving the ball right over the middle of the plate. The thing is, the coaches have a well-established pattern of bringing one of the sisters in to relief the other--they do it ALL THE TIME. Last night they didn't do it, and we got burned. I frankly don't see us recovering from this debacle, but I hope I'm wrong. To say we blew it last night would be an understatement. The Weeklys have done a FANTASTIC job with the program, but in baseball/softball knowing when to replace your pitcher is a big decision and a big deal.
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What you say about about Ivy in relief is true, but Ellen was SIZZLEING HOT!! It would have taken both Weekleys to pry that ball from her hand.

What you say about being tired applies to baseball, not so much to softball.



Girls are not as mentally fragile as boys and have become accustomed to playing a large number of games in a single day since the age of six. Girls don't sulk,mope and cry like boys when things go bad, so Ellen's mental status should not be in question.

Hindsight is 20/20

The facts are that Ellen came within 1 strike of winning.
A routine fly ball over a pulled in outfield and a couple of errors is no
reason for a pitching change. JMO, but what do I know?

BTW, I'm coaching boys now. Glutton for punishment.:)
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VolPride14 said:
Why would you take Ellen out? She was arguably out pitching the best pitcher in the game. She wanted thst game more than anyone in the stadium. You don't take her out. I'm proud they chose to win or die by Ellen last night.
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Somebody gets it.
 
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oldfartvol said:
What you say about about Ivy in relief is true, but Ellen was SIZZLEING HOT!! It would have taken both Weekleys to pry that ball from her hand.

What you say about being tired applies to baseball, not so much to softball.



Girls are not as mentally fragile as boys and have become accustomed to playing a large number of games in a single day since the age of six. Girls don't sulk,mope and cry like boys when things go bad, so Ellen's mental status should not be in question.
Hindsight is 20/20

The facts are that Ellen came within 1 strike of winning.
A routine fly ball over a pulled in outfield and a couple of errors is no
reason for a pitching change. JMO, but what do I know?

BTW, I'm coaching boys now. Glutton for punishment.:)
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Say what? Ellen's still human right? Did you see the dugout shot of her sitting with Karen Weekly? She was rattled, shellshocked, etc, and rightfully so. Heck, the whole team was rattled. Did you see how terrible our at-bats were in the top of the 12th? No plate disciple at all. At bare minimum Ivy should've pitched the bottom of 12 and I would've put her in at 3-1 with a runner on 2nd. My wife and I both were screaming at the tv. I don't care if Ellen was a 5th year Sr and daughter of the state governor, you take the ball out of her hands b/c it's best for the team.
 
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#65
they had to win the first game to have any chance. ou smells blood n i say they fold. they played their butts off to still lose.

of course i could be wrong but im not.



saying that girls sports r the only ones playing at a championship level.. the guys need to step it up.
 
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RICK0380 said:
No that was a routine play that sucked. But when oklahoma scored with the slap hitter hitting a triple. We should have made a pitching change. I mean a slap hitter hitting a triple is a pretty clear sign. I love the weeklys but it was a bad coaching night to finish with
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Not sure which triple you are talking about but the #9 hitter do the same thing in Sunday night's game vs/ Washington? She slapped it right over the LF's head and one hopped the wall for a stand up triple.
 
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#67
You don't take pride in staying with Ellen--great as she was. Your responsibility as coach is to win the game when you've got a three run lead. Our coaches blew it--stuck with Ellen too long, outfielders were too shallow when they should have been deep--and then, yes, we've got two strikes on the number 9 hitter, you do NOT give her a good pitch to hit! You make her chase balls outside the zone. Instead, Ellen grooves one. Our coaches stopped coaching and started hoping. This was one of the worst losses in UT history--any sport, seriously--and while kids are resilient, I think we've blown it this year.
 
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The Ren. girls are from my home town. I was so proud and happy to see the hometown girls go out play so well to get us to this point. Ellen Played lights freaking out. The coach should have pulled her outta the game and let Ivy come in and get the 3 out so we could walk with a win. Now we sit down 1 against the best softball team in the nation. Should have been up one. Really disappointed that Ellen didnt get the win.

With that being said I think we have 2 great coaches and should not be judged for making this bad call.

GBO
 
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Voldemonium said:
Say what? Ellen's still human right? Did you see the dugout shot of her sitting with Karen Weekly? She was rattled, shellshocked, etc, and rightfully so. Heck, the whole team was rattled. Did you see how terrible our at-bats were in the top of the 12th? No plate disciple at all. At bare minimum Ivy should've pitched the bottom of 12 and I would've put her in at 3-1 with a runner on 2nd. My wife and I both were screaming at the tv. I don't care if Ellen was a 5th year Sr and daughter of the state governor, you take the ball out of her hands b/c it's best for the team.
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The dugout shot with Ellen looking down was taken with UT up 3-0 FYI.

Just stayin focused.
 
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mscox75 said:
Your right man.......I ve been involved many sports via coach and player. Just because they are UT coaches doesn't warrant them better. I damn sure know I can coach baseball and offensive football as well as work on your golf swing. If I pursued it, I know I could go further. The difference is I didn't want to make a living at it.


With a 3-1 lead the outfield should have been playing deep. If so the ball would have been caught and if it wasn't she would have had a single.

Oh, and if it was 7th to 8 th inning, leave Ellen in....Tennessee has never went that long in a game, especially a pitcher. Change of pitching sytle would have had them off balance.

BAD COACHING! END OF STORY! BUT, COACHING AND TOTAL TEAM PLAY GOT US HERE. I STILL LOVE THE WEEKLY'S. THEY AS WELL AS GIBSON NEED TO TAKE THIS ONE.

And don't give me its the whole game and we had chances. Everyone knows you play up to the moment to win. Gibson had bad drop....but after that and a slap triple.....Ellen should have been pulled.

GO VOLS!!!!
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Wrong answer. Ellen pitched 11 innings vs NC State.
 
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#73
H@ll Everybody struggles in big games. Thats why they are called big games....Sometimes I wonder why I even read some of you dumb post.
 
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Da@N Weeklys lost another one. J/K. I do wonder what happened on the last pitch. I thought the batter was hit??
 
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