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Dak1219 said:
I'm not saying that the coaches are worse, we don't know yet. But there are no metrics to say they are better and considering the teams they work for finished below Tennessee consistently and has not consistently made the NCAA tournament during their time at their former programs has to speak to something. However, Tennessee has also consistently been a winner in the portal and then it boils right down to wins and losses and NCAA tournaments and obviously we know which teams were placing where in the SEC, how they were doing in the SEC tournament and which teams were making the NCAA tournament.
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I get what you are attempting to say, yet you are leaving out too many factors. The Tennessee program is ahead of Alabama and Miss State. You can’t measure their individual ability to coach versus former Tennessee assistant coaches simply by comparing records. I mean, it’s like Vandy coach playing Tennessee. People actually would say she is a better coach than Coach Harper which I disagree with. Harper beat her twice yet folks claim Vandy coach was on the rise. At Tennessee, the new coaches will have more resources and connections due to their new affiliation with the iconic UT WBB program. They also have built strong reputations. I even think SC recently added a former assistant from Duke. Duke the last five years or so is not exactly setting WBB on fire. Yet a Duke assistant was good enough for SC. These hires for Coach Caldwell and UT are elite. Young players, young fans, college athletes, and fellow coaches are rapidly spreading this news and congratulating these coaches on social media. UT is trending with an entire new fanbase and once again regaining ties among the common fan. And what makes this important is these individuals can coach. Not just Lazo and Tubner, Rizor and Burdette are former D1 athletes that could play. You are sort of missing the bigger picture. Jewel Spear returning and saying she sees the vision just proved it today. Former ACC leading scorer and 2x Team USA medalist.
 
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SGMVols said:
But it’ll be reduced if she gets another coaching job, and she is obligated to make a good faith effort to find a job or else UT has the right to cut her payments off. It’s basically rich people unemployment insurance.
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I've seen that repeated here several times. Do we know if that was a clause in her contract or not? I don't know and just asking because it's not a given.
 
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I have to believe most schools have this clause in coaches contracts for the schools protection since these buyouts are very large now.

Butch Jones had this clause in his contract and he screwed UT over by taking an analyst job with AL for $30K/yr which apparently satisfied the definition of making a 'good faith effort' to find another related position as UT paid his entire buyout. His payout was reduced by this amount every yr and he stayed in this job until he collected his total buyout then left for the HC job at Arky St.

That's how you do brick by brick in his world.
 
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Orange Maniac said:
I've seen that repeated here several times. Do we know if that was a clause in her contract or not? I don't know and just asking because it's not a given.
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It’s standard in every coaching contract where there is offset language, meaning any future earnings as a basketball coach or staff member at another institution will reduce the amount of the buyout. My firm has written dozens of coaching contracts across many sports and schools since I’ve been here, and I’ve never seen one without it.

That said, the bar is incredibly low for what constitutes searching for employment. Arkansas went after Brett Beliema because he considered being an intern with the Giants to be consummate employment. Butch Jones interviewed for at least one head coach or coordinator job every year, which satisfied his requirement. Tennessee couldn’t go after his buyout because he was actually trying, and failing, to get a job. His attorneys told Tennessee’s attorneys on at least one occasion that if they tried to go after the buyout, they would file suit because at least one school, I believe it was Colorado State, indicated they did not hire Butch because of things the university had control over the title IX situation that was going on while he was at UT.

Anyway, it’s going to be a moot point with Kellie Harper, she very much wants to stay in coaching and has already interviewed for one mid/high major job (Marquette). I anticipate someone with her résumé will get a job next year and Tennessee will be off the hook. I think if Danny had pulled the plug sooner, she might already have a job, probably that Marquette job. I don’t think getting right back in would have been the right move for her, but I’m not her agent, either.
 
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RockyTopppppppp said:
Lazo is the only hire that is worth a flip here. Tubner has not accomplished anything and the other two from Marshall have no idea what a SEC player looks like. And we are excited?
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I am glad for Lazo who has experience in the SEC. Tubner sounds like he was more a recruiter than a coach so maybe he has connections. Of the other two, one has the same level of coaching experience in D1 and the SEC as CKC does. And the other, if I understand what I read only has D2 experience.

Not as exciting as the announcement made it seem to be.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I am glad for Lazo who has experience in the SEC. Tubner sounds like he was more a recruiter than a coach so maybe he has connections. Of the other two, one has the same level of coaching experience in D1 and the SEC as CKC does. And the other, if I understand what I read only has D2 experience.

Not as exciting as the announcement made it seem to be.
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I think Burdette coached 3 years at Marshall so two years before Caldwell got there. Rizor did coach the one year with Caldwell at Marshall.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I am glad for Lazo who has experience in the SEC. Tubner sounds like he was more a recruiter than a coach so maybe he has connections. Of the other two, one has the same level of coaching experience in D1 and the SEC as CKC does. And the other, if I understand what I read only has D2 experience.

Not as exciting as the announcement made it seem to be.
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Rizor and Burdette were both professional basketball players.. both extremely good college players. That’s nice to have as assistants
 
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SGMVols said:
But it’ll be reduced if she gets another coaching job, and she is obligated to make a good faith effort to find a job or else UT has the right to cut her payments off. It’s basically rich people unemployment insurance.
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Good faith to me sounds like applying wherever she pleases D1-D-2 whatever and asking for the same compensation as she was making at Tennessee. You can figure nobody's going to pay that and she can take the next 4 years off paid a cool half million a year by UT. Thats one way to go about it, still get paid and take a nice long vacation.
 
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brittannica said:


This was a very fun exchange to see on this gray morning! Hope we continue to do more to draw in our Spanish-speaking Lady Vols fans!
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🧡 Carlos has been fabulous in football and a huge hit with fans. Have you seen clips of his calls with sidekick VFL Carols Raveiz? Or any of his "Vamos Vols" and John Ward tribute "DaleSeis" clips? He originally called himself Juan Ward. 😂 This is a great and a fun development!

I'm making croquettes for dinner now. 😂 Settled.



 
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Dak1219 said:
Good faith to me sounds like applying wherever she pleases D1-D-2 whatever and asking for the same compensation as she was making at Tennessee. You can figure nobody's going to pay that and she can take the next 4 years off paid a cool half million a year by UT. Thats one way to go about it, still get paid and take a nice long vacation.
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I’d be curious who represents her as an agent. Jimmy?
 
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volfan102455 said:
I am glad for Lazo who has experience in the SEC. Tubner sounds like he was more a recruiter than a coach so maybe he has connections. Of the other two, one has the same level of coaching experience in D1 and the SEC as CKC does. And the other, if I understand what I read only has D2 experience.

Not as exciting as the announcement made it seem to be.
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How about get yer story straight, then edit this post…just a suggestion.
 
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