West Virginia to Big 12

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#51
Not like the big east was all that much better than the big xii north after it got gutted by the acc.
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milohimself said:
Not like the big east was all that much better than the big xii north after it got gutted by the acc.
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That accounts for, what, two or three of WVUs five conference championships in the past eight years? That still puts WVUs program well ahead of Mizzous.
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therealUT said:
That accounts for, what, two or three of WVUs five conference championships in the past eight years? That still puts WVUs program well ahead of Mizzous.
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VaTech began play in the ACC in 2004. That makes 4 of the 5 WVU championships post-Big East re-alignment.

4 of the total 5 are shared, including the one they won before the Big East was a shell of its former self.

And for the record, I really don't think either program is head-and-shoulders above the other. Since that's the case, give me the AAU school with the bigger TV markets.
 
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therealUT said:
That accounts for, what, two or three of WVUs five conference championships in the past eight years? That still puts WVUs program well ahead of Mizzous.
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Put MU in that conference and see who is what.

Nm I see you are a Gayhawk fan. Moving on nothing to see here.
 
#55
#55
I would say that WVU is better overall than Mizzou as a football program, as evidenced by TV ratings, conference titles and a couple of BCS bowl wins over Georgia and Oklahoma. I still wouldn't say they are vastly superior to Mizzou football in recent years, though, considering Mizzou has won the Big XII North at almost the same clip at WVU winning the Big East, and the BXII North and Big East are both roughly equivalent in terms of competitiveness.
 
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Coach Grizz said:
I'd rather have them than Missouri.
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Even the Bevo12 is trying to retract their offer to WVU. Probably saw the fan reaction and realized they made a huge mistake. Would laugh so hard it Louisville jumped their spot.
 
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therealUT said:
You are incorrect. The Big East recognizes co-champions (as did the BigTen) and makes a distinction between "champion" and BCS Representative.

WVU and UConn won the Big East last season; UConn represented the Big East in the BCS. Both WVU and UConn have the hardware.
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Ah, so WVU was the little champion, UConn was the big champion?

Is that sort of like tying for the SEC East/West, but losing the tie-breaker?
 
#63
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Big East has cancelled it's "merger" talks for this weekend with the MWC and C-USA in NYC.

Big thangs poppin'.
 
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therealUT said:
Reports coming out of Kansas City that the holdup is due to BigXII negotiations with Notre Dame.
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That seems hard to believe.
Notre Dame can join any league they want. I doubt the Big 12 would be their first choice.
 
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ukvols said:
That seems hard to believe.
Notre Dame can join any league they want. I doubt the Big 12 would be their first choice.
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Big XII is the only one that will let ND keep their NBC revenue.
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therealUT said:
Big XII is the only one that will let ND keep their NBC revenue.
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That's been a bit more or less dismissed. (while that doesn't mean it won't necessarily happen), it's a move/plan that would have a whole lot of moving parts, which would all have to come together and connect perfectly (even with all the egos and red tape there aside)...rumored moves such as those often turn up long shots at best


Also worth a note is that the original story came from orangebloods (and chip brown)...which has been notorious for often also putting out just what the officials in Tex-Austin want put out
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therealUT said:
Reports coming out of Kansas City that the holdup is due to BigXII negotiations with Notre Dame.
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reports from ESPN appear to disagree a bit


West Virginia Mountaineers' move to Big 12 on hold, source says - ESPN

West Virginia has been notified by the Big 12 Conference that its expansion process is on hold, a school source told ESPN's Joe Schad on Wednesday.

The Big 12 is waiting on Missouri formally to withdraw from the conference and that there has been some late "hard lobbying" by Louisville for Big 12 inclusion, the source told Schad.
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West Virginia had been told that the Big 12 was willing to announce it would be adding the Mountaineers regardless of the timing of Missouri's departure announcement. That has changed, at least for now, the source said.

Earlier Wednesday, the Charleston Gazette reported that the Big 12 board of directors has what the newspaper called "put the brakes" on plans to expand. That comes after West Virginia issued a statement Tuesday night saying no news conference had been scheduled to announce a move to the Big 12.

The Gazette also reported that a visit by Big 12 officials to the West Virginia campus, scheduled for Wednesday, also had been called off.

The New York Times reported Wednesday that West Virginia was in a "holding pattern."

Tuesday had brought a flurry of activity that seemed to point to the Mountaineers leaving the Big East to join the Big 12.

ESPN reported that the Big 12 told West Virginia it will be accepted into the conference pending formal approval, citing a Big 12 source. Earlier Tuesday, The New York Times reported that West Virginia had "applied and been accepted" to the Big 12.

Wednesday morning, The Associated Press reported that the Big 12 "approved bringing in West Virginia to replace Missouri when the Tigers complete their move to the Southeastern Conference," citing a person with direct knowledge of the decision.
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The New York Times reported Wednesday that U.S. Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, had lobbied Big 12 officials -- including David Boren, president of the University of Oklahoma and a former U.S. senator -- to include Louisville in expansion plans.

The Times quoted a person with direct knowledge of the plans as saying: "I think it's 50-50 right now between West Virginia and Louisville."

The Democratic senators from West Viginia shot back later Wednesday.

"If these outrageous reports have any merit -- and especially if a United States Senator has done anything inappropriate or unethical to interfere with a decision that the Big 12 had already made -- then I believe that there should be an investigation in the U.S. Senate, and I will fight to get the truth," Sen. Joe Manchin said in a statement. "West Virginians and the American people deserve to know exactly what is going on and whether politics is interfering with our college sports."

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, which has oversight of sports, also responded to the reports, saying in a statement: "The Big 12 picked WVU on the strength of its program -- period. Now the media reports that political games may upend that. That's just flat wrong. I am doing and will do whatever it takes to get us back to the merits."

Meanwhile, Louisville men's basketball coach Rick Pitino told ESPN.com's Andy Katz that he is actively lobbying the Big East and its member schools to add Memphis and Temple, regardless of whether the Big East adds Central Florida, Houston or SMU.

Pitino said Wednesday that he has expressed his opinion to Big East commissioner John Marinatto and wants the conference to seriously consider raising its basketball profile during what has been a turbulent time of conference realignment.
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#69
Big East may as well disband as a football conference and just focus on basketball if they do what Pitino wants.
 
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ukvols said:
Big East may as well disband as a football conference and just focus on basketball if they do what Pitino wants.
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I, personally, find the fact that the US senate is getting involved in the big 12/big east expansion to be the more humorous thing here
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therealUT said:
That accounts for, what, two or three of WVUs five conference championships in the past eight years? That still puts WVUs program well ahead of Mizzous.
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WV doesnt play Tx or Ok every year either. Lets see how many Big 12 titles they win if and when they are accepted.

F'n Gayhawk stick to BB. One sport you do have going for you.
 
#73
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volger said:
WV doesnt play Tx or Ok every year either. Lets see how many Big 12 titles they win if and when they are accepted.

F'n Gayhawk stick to BB. One sport you do have going for you.
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Last time I checked, 1>0.
 
#74
#74
All this thread has done is made me realize how incredibly unbelievable it is that we were this close to a Missouri-West Virginia NC game a few years ago. Would've easily been the least-watched championship game of all time.
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#75
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I was bored:

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