What’s the likelihood that we see civil unrest soon?

[Vol Main]

I can't remember all the twists and turns in that part of the discussion but I had a post regarding the distinction between assault "rifle" vs "weapon". The former has a fairly accepted working definition...one that does not link up with any firearms not covered by the NFA. The latter is indeed pretty much an invented term tthat, well, basically means whatever those pushing the anti agenda can make stick with people that don't know any better. You know the ones. The people that think ".30 caliber clip to disperse 30 bullets within half a second" is a real thing.

I get what you're saying, but I also think blaming Democrats for everything gets more than a little lame, and it too often subverts respect for authority, wrongly. There is no doubt that the words "assault rifle" derive from an automatic battle rifle introduced by Germany during WWII. Granted, it is now applied to similar rifles which lack a fully automatic firing mode. When I bought a Daewoo K2 semi-auto years ago, the words "K2 Assault Rifle" were printed on the end of the box by the manufacturer.

 

[1vol8]

I can't remember all the twists and turns in that part of the discussion but I had a post regarding the distinction between assault "rifle" vs "weapon". The former has a fairly accepted working definition...one that does not link up with any firearms not covered by the NFA. The latter is indeed pretty much an invented term tthat, well, basically means whatever those pushing the anti agenda can make stick with people that don't know any better. You know the ones. The people that think ".30 caliber clip to disperse 30 bullets within half a second" is a real thing.

Or who was it? Shelia Jackson? That said “I’ve held an AR-15. It’s as heavy as 10 boxes and shoots .50 caliber bullets.” . Mine weighs 7 pounds. Lol

 

[Vol Main]

Democrats, anti gunners. One in the same in a lot of cases

So you asked me to prove something for you. After I did, you act like it never happened. That's always the way it is with you guys who do not know what you're talking about. There is a reason you don't know things, and a reason for me not wanting to waste my time on acts like yours.

 

[1vol8]

So you asked me to prove something for you. After I did, you act like it never happened. That's always the way it is with you guys who do not know what you're talking about. There is a reason you don't know.

What did you prove?

 

[1vol8]

So you asked me to prove something for you. After I did, you act like it never happened. That's always the way it is with you guys who do not know what you're talking about. There is a reason you don't know.

If you prove a valid point at any time, I’m man enough to concede. I’ve done it before and I’ll do it again

 

[hndog609]

I get what you're saying, but I also think blaming Democrats for everything gets more than a little lame, and it too often subverts respect for authority, wrongly. There is no doubt that the words "assault rifle" derive from an automatic battle rifle introduced by Germany during WWII. Granted, it is now applied to similar rifles which lack a fully automatic firing mode. When I bought a Daewoo K2 years ago, the words "Assault Rifle" were stamped on the end of the box by the manufacturer.

I'm not sure about arguing the margins but one would be hard pressed to say the "Left" isn't the progenitor of that "means what we decide it means" nebulous term "assault weapon".

You are of course referencing the STG 44. I don't think one gets to simply "apply" descriptors to something "similar" and consider it the same thing. If it's definitionally an assault rifle it's an NFA weapon.

As for the K2 I'm not worried what a South Korean company stamps on their rifles for import purposes. Actually the "real" K2's are select fire military rifles which would meet the actual definition. Selling that in non-NFA form over here and not changing the description isn't something that should concern anyone familiar with the actual terminology.

 

[1vol8]

I get what you're saying, but I also think blaming Democrats for everything gets more than a little lame, and it too often subverts respect for authority, wrongly. There is no doubt that the words "assault rifle" derive from an automatic battle rifle introduced by Germany during WWII. Granted, it is now applied to similar rifles which lack a fully automatic firing mode. When I bought a Daewoo K2 semi-auto years ago, the words "K2 Assault Rifle" were printed on the end of the box by the manufacturer.

Doesn’t matter what they print on the box. A manufacturer can call it what ever it decides to call it and it doesn’t make it so. There’s a handgun called a Rex. A lot of them are green and the grips look scaly. Does that make it a dinosaur? If your answer is no then that stamp doesn’t make your K2 an assault weapon.

 

[Vol Main]

What did you prove?

You are a waste of my time. "Assault rifle" is not a name hatched out by Democrats to create prejudice against gun owners. Semi-auto variants of true assault rifles derive that label from them, not from liberals or from Democrats.

"The German word "sturm" means to storm, or assault, and "gewehr" means rifle."

"This German STG 44 is where the name 'assault rifle' originated and it's the first one to be widely used," said Jim Supica, director of the NRA Museum in Fairfax, Virginia, which has an original Sturmgewehr in its collection. "The Sturmgewehr 44 was the predecessor of true modern assault rifles such as the Soviet AK-47 and the American M-16."

The Nazis' assault rifle now made in America

 

[1vol8]

You are a waste of my time.

"The German word "sturm" means to storm, or assault, and "gewehr" means rifle."

"This German STG 44 is where the name 'assault rifle' originated and it's the first one to be widely used," said Jim Supica, director of the NRA Museum in Fairfax, Virginia, which has an original Sturmgewehr in its collection. "The Sturmgewehr 44 was the predecessor of true modern assault rifles such as the Soviet AK-47 and the American M-16."

The Nazis' assault rifle now made in America

That was a lot of wasted breath telling me about German chit when what we were discussing was how and who is using the term “assault rifle” here in the states. I highly doubt these anti gunners here that have no idea what a magazine is know anything about what you just mentioned. So HERE, the ones using the term are anti gunners and/or democrats and they are mostly ignorant to anything gun related.

 

[BreatheUT]

Have you considered the effects of illegal immigration on lower/middle class neighborhoods and the black community? Is there any effect or do you even care?

@Septic still waiting

 

[USAFgolferVol]

That was a lot of wasted breath telling me about German chit when what we were discussing was how and who is using the term “assault rifle” here in the states. I highly doubt these anti gunners here that have no idea what a magazine is know anything about what you just mentioned. So HERE, the ones using the term are anti gunners and/or democrats and they are mostly ignorant to anything gun related.

Reagan used it during a speech in which he declared citizens had no need to own assault rifles.

As usual you have idea what you're talking about.

 

[1vol8]

Reagan used it during a speech in which he declared citizens had no need to own assault rifles.

As usual you have idea what you're talking about.

Forgive me if I don’t remember a speech back in 1986. I was like 8. But given the fact that he signed the Bill to eliminate citizens having fully automatic weapons, I would assume those are what he meant when he said “assault rifles”. He wasn’t talking about civilianized AR-15s like these clueless democrats are today.

 

[hog88]

Reagan used it during a speech in which he declared citizens had no need to own assault rifles.

As usual you have idea what you're talking about.

No he didn’t use it in a speech he signed a letter in support of the 1994 AWB along with Carter and Ford. Everyone is entitled to a few mistakes and Reagan made a few.

 

[Vol Main]

I'm not sure about arguing the margins but one would be hard pressed to say the "Left" isn't the progenitor of that "means what we decide it means" nebulous term "assault weapon".

You are of course referencing the STG 44. I don't think one gets to simply "apply" descriptors to something "similar" and consider it the same thing. If it's definitionally an assault rifle it's an NFA weapon.

As for the K2 I'm not worried what a South Korean company stamps on their rifles for import purposes. Actually the "real" K2's are select fire military rifles which would meet the actual definition. Selling that in non-NFA form over here and not changing the description isn't something that should concern anyone familiar with the actual terminology.

Anyone familiar with the "actual terminology" should recognize that it derives from the German STG, not from American Democrats, and that contemporary usage includes semi-auto variants marketed for civilians. If you do not approve that usage, then don't use it. But you do not get to dictate contemporary usage of other people. Bottom line is blaming Democrats for contemporary usage(including usage of manufacturers) is ignorantly hateful, nutjob behavior.

 

[zeppelin128]

After reading the last 30+ pages of this thread:

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Forgive me if I don’t remember a speech back in 1986. I was like 8. But given the fact that he signed the Bill to eliminate citizens having fully automatic weapons, I would assume those are what he meant when he said “assault rifles”. He wasn’t talking about civilianized AR-15s like these clueless democrats are today.

I believe it was 1989. Said civilians didn't need them for protection. You got your buzz words in though. Your idiot buddies can pat you on the back

 

[USAFgolferVol]

No he didn’t use it in a speech he signed a letter in support of the 1994 AWB along with Carter and Ford. Everyone is entitled to a few mistakes and Reagan made a few.

He made many mistakes far worse than that one. In 1989 he made the statement

 

[hog88]

I believe it was 1989. Said civilians didn't need them for protection. You got your buzz words in though. Your idiot buddies can pat you on the back

This is what Reagan said in 1989.

But Republicans weren’t always so protective of those types of guns. In 1989, former president Ronald Reagan took a stand against “machine guns” being used by the public. This is how he answered when asked whether prohibiting military rifles would ultimately violate hunters’ rights during a 1989 forum at University of Southern California:

“I do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen to own guns for sporting, for hunting, and so forth, or for home defense. But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting weapon or needed for the defense of the home.”​

Nowhere did he use the term assault weapon.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

This is what Reagan said in 1989.



Nowhere did he use the term assault weapon.

Get off that word. That's not what I'm talking about. That's not the point.

 

[hog88]

Get off that word. That's not what I'm talking about. That's not the point.

Ok

 

[1vol8]

I believe it was 1989. Said civilians didn't need them for protection. You got your buzz words in though. Your idiot buddies can pat you on the back

Either way, I don’t know many 11 year olds that study politics. I was too busy outside playing football without pads and drinking from water hoses.

 

[whodeycin85]

Anyone familiar with the "actual terminology" should recognize that it derives from the German STG, not from American Democrats, and that contemporary usage includes semi-auto variants marketed for civilians. If you do not approve that usage, then don't use it. But you do not get to dictate contemporary usage of other people. Bottom line is blaming Democrats for contemporary usage(including usage of manufacturers) is ignorantly hateful, nutjob behavior.

That is considered the 1st assault weapon, but the actual widespreaf usage come from an anti gun activists in the late 80s after a school shooting....it became popular after a paper written in 1988...so while the german stg is known as an assault weapon the term wasnt widely used

 

[1vol8]

That is considered the 1st assault weapon, but the actual widespreaf usage come from an anti gun activists in the late 80s after a school shooting....it became popular after a paper written in 1988...so while the german stg is known as an assault weapon the term wasnt widely used

Sometimes I need help.

 

[whodeycin85]

Sometimes I need help.

You good... as seems the term was still spread by an anti gun activist and a Dem i would guess given he has called for weapons bans

 

[1vol8]

You good... as seems the term was still spread by an anti gun activist and a Dem i would guess given he has called for weapons bans

Just not a big fan of being called stupid when it seems we were both right