But had they not been under the influence would they still have committed these acts? They will use as a defense in a heartbeat. They themselves claim to be a victim which to an extent they are right. I won't debate you on this because you have your own opinion established. Like I said I don't usually post in these kind of threads. I just get pissed. Not at you, just in general. Having seen the effects that it has on the families of users first hand, I guess it all comes down to your definition of victim. But I will say that the majority of the crimes I work revolve around the drug scene.