What do you know about the Constitutional Party

#26
#26
CovVol said:
Guess what... taxes are high, medical costs are through the roof, and chaos reigns in the middle east already. How's not voting going to hurt me? :popcorn:
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it might not hurt you in the least. However, you sound very idealogical to me, so I'd think you'd at least cast a vote opposite of the person most likely to do those things antithetical to your viewpoint.
 
#27
#27
CovVol said:
Guess what... taxes are high, medical costs are through the roof, and chaos reigns in the middle east already. How's not voting going to hurt me? :popcorn:
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Just vote your conscious and dont be persuaded by anyone else.
 
#28
#28
BigPapaVol said:
it might not hurt you in the least. However, you sound very idealogical to me, so I'd think you'd at least cast a vote opposite of the person most likely to do those things antithetical to your viewpoint.
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But see... that's the thing. There's really not that big of a difference between Democrats and Republicans and it's only on a couple of issues that neither one are going to change anyway... ie: abortion, war, taxes, etc. Is it really change to vote for someone that's not going to do anything anyway? I will probably vote this year... deep in my heart of hearts, I know it's important. I'm just playing the devil's advocate here because no matter who we vote in, they are going to make promises they cant keep too.
 
#29
#29
CovVol said:
But see... that's the thing. There's really not that big of a difference between Democrats and Republicans and it's only on a couple of issues that neither one are going to change anyway... ie: abortion, war, taxes, etc.
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I could not disagree more . . .
 
#30
#30
Rasputin_Vol said:
It ain't to hard to be more impressive than any of the other clowns we have running.
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That's what I was thinking. I think Ron Paul put it best. You have to be a billionaire to run for President as an independent in this day and age. I don't think he has a prayer.
 
#31
#31
oklavol said:
That's what I was thinking. I think Ron Paul put it best. You have to be a billionaire to run for President as an independent in this day and age. I don't think he has a prayer.
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Anyone who doesn't conform to the way the government is already set up today , will never be elected president . It's really sad that the people in this country dont try to change this instead of just following along saying well that's the way it is and my vote cant change it.


Until enough voters have had enough of this crap to decide that it needs to be changed we will be right here in the middle of this mess .



JMO
 
#33
#33
CovVol said:
Name one significant change a President has made since the end of the Cold War... that's been nearly 20 years.
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Reagan dramaticall changed the Marginal tax rates and took a very aggressive approach toward defense. Bush again changes taxes in a big way.

Forget all the other crap, a candidates approach to wealth redistribution is the driver for me.
 
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#35
VolunteerHillbilly said:
This will be a close election, same as the last two. "Idealisitc" Ds cost their party the election in 2000 by going off the reservation to vote for Nader. If you are a conservative who ordinarily votes R and you either stay home, or vote for a third party fringe candidate, then you are voting for high taxes, socialized medicine, and chaos in the middle east (and it will be much worse than it is now if the U.S. just pulls out without a government capable of sustaining itsself having been established in Iraq). Justify it however you like. We have a two party system. Try to play outside the rules of the game and you hurt your side of that system. That's just reality my friends. :peace2:
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The only way to change the system is to gradually begin to make moves away from it (that means not buying into the lesser of two evils/2 party crap we've been served up).

You can be a conformist and a status quo supporter all you want. At this point, this republic needs to be shaken up. Either you join us (meaning people who actually believe in true conservative principles) or you can contniue to support watered down candidates that will only prolong the eventual destruction of our republic.
 
#36
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The only way to change the system is to gradually begin to make moves away from it (that means not buying into the lesser of two evils/2 party crap we've been served up).

You can be a conformist and a status quo supporter all you want. At this point, this republic needs to be shaken up. Either you join us (meaning people who actually believe in true conservative principles) or you can contniue to support watered down candidates that will only prolong the eventual destruction of our republic.
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Very well put RAS:good!:
 
#37
#37
Rasputin_Vol said:
The only way to change the system is to gradually begin to make moves away from it (that means not buying into the lesser of two evils/2 party crap we've been served up).

You can be a conformist and a status quo supporter all you want. At this point, this republic needs to be shaken up. Either you join us (meaning people who actually believe in true conservative principles) or you can contniue to support watered down candidates that will only prolong the eventual destruction of our republic.
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join you in not voting. That's a powerful statement you're making.
 
#38
#38
BigPapaVol said:
I can certainly appreciate all you revolutionaries and your decision to abstain, regardless of how absurd it might seem.

The bottom line for this November is that either Obama or McCain is going to be elected. That might not sit well with you, but it is reality. If you can't pick from those 2 and find one you like, maybe you should vote against the one you most detest.
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As long as people continue to make their decisions and vote as you do this country will continue down the slippery slope. The only way we can reel in the democrat and republican parties is to show how unsatisfied we are and how far they have moved away from us. Or we can just keep voting like high school kids for the class president and make it all about popularity.
 
#40
#40
It's pretty bad to feel you have to play "lesser of two evils" but I think these numbers stick in a lot of Republican minds at least:

Clinton 43%
Bush 37.4%
Perot 18.9%

I have a personal friend who told me before that election that he was not going to vote R for the first time since he became old enough. He later admitted that there was no away around him believing he had a hand in getting Clinton elected. If you consider yourself a conservative it seems like the battle really needs to be fought in getting the right person nominated instead of having to bite your lip in the general election. Once there I simply vote anti democrat, I just don't (personally) have a choice. The only D that has even sniffed 1600 Pennsylvania since I've been eligible to vote that could even hold my attention for 30 seconds is Lieberman and they consider him some kind of blacksheep.
 
#41
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hndog609 said:
It's pretty bad to feel you have to play "lesser of two evils" but I think these numbers stick in a lot of Republican minds at least:

Clinton 43%
Bush 37.4%
Perot 18.9%

I have a personal friend who told me before that election that he was not going to vote R for the first time since he became old enough. He later admitted that there was no away around him believing he had a hand in getting Clinton elected. If you consider yourself a conservative it seems like the battle really needs to be fought in getting the right person nominated instead of having to bite your lip in the general election. Once there I simply vote anti democrat, I just don't (personally) have a choice. The only D that has even sniffed 1600 Pennsylvania since I've been eligible to vote that could even hold my attention for 30 seconds is Lieberman and they consider him some kind of blacksheep.
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Same here
 
#42
#42
BigPapaVol said:
I can certainly appreciate all you revolutionaries and your decision to abstain, regardless of how absurd it might seem.

The bottom line for this November is that either Obama or McCain is going to be elected. That might not sit well with you, but it is reality. If you can't pick from those 2 and find one you like, maybe you should vote against the one you most detest.
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I am, I dislike them both equally.

:)
 
#44
#44
VolunteerHillbilly said:
This will be a close election, same as the last two. "Idealisitc" Ds cost their party the election in 2000 by going off the reservation to vote for Nader. If you are a conservative who ordinarily votes R and you either stay home, or vote for a third party fringe candidate, then you are voting for high taxes, socialized medicine, and chaos in the middle east (and it will be much worse than it is now if the U.S. just pulls out without a government capable of sustaining itsself having been established in Iraq). Justify it however you like. We have a two party system. Try to play outside the rules of the game and you hurt your side of that system. That's just reality my friends. :peace2:
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Really?

You don't think the party will get the message when the base doesn't flock out to vote for McCain?

I thought that was the system working......
 
#46
#46
BigPapaVol said:
Reagan dramaticall changed the Marginal tax rates and took a very aggressive approach toward defense. Bush again changes taxes in a big way.

Forget all the other crap, a candidates approach to wealth redistribution is the driver for me.
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Bush sured changed taxes in a big way... he levied more of them. Reagan's stance on defense is (ironically) what pulled us out of the Cold War and what put us into a recession in '87 and got the budget spiraling out of control. But Reagan's stance is moot since the question I posed is "What has changed significantly since the Cold War?". The answer is nothing. People are still arguing about the same things they were arguing about since I've been of voting age (1994). Now, add in the War On Terror and gas prices... seems like the list is getting bigger instead of smaller.

I say again.... we, as a nation, lack something we are in dire need of. A true leader. There are plenty out there (Colin Powell being the first that comes to mind) that for what ever reason, dont want to touch it.
 
#47
#47
CovVol said:
Bush sured changed taxes in a big way... he levied more of them. Reagan's stance on defense is (ironically) what pulled us out of the Cold War and what put us into a recession in '87 and got the budget spiraling out of control. But Reagan's stance is moot since the question I posed is "What has changed significantly since the Cold War?". The answer is nothing. People are still arguing about the same things they were arguing about since I've been of voting age (1994). Now, add in the War On Terror and gas prices... seems like the list is getting bigger instead of smaller.

I say again.... we, as a nation, lack something we are in dire need of. A true leader. There are plenty out there (Colin Powell being the first that comes to mind) that for what ever reason, dont want to touch it.
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Agreed we do need a true leader.

The reason Powell will not run is that his wife believes that he will be assasinated.
 
#48
#48
H. Norman Schwarzkopff is a far more effective leader than Colin Powell, but he chose to stay out of politics.
 
#49
#49
It would be nice to have a someone run on the power of the american people rather than the power of government!
 
#50
#50
OrangeEmpire said:
Agreed we do need a true leader.

The reason Powell will not run is that his wife believes that he will be assasinated.
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That's too bad. He's the total package... smart, capable, charismatic, and experienced. I think he's the one that could run on a Independent ticket and win if he so chose.

MG1968 said:
H. Norman is a far more effective leader than Colin Powell, but he chose to stay out of politics.
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That's arguable, but the point being is that they are leaders and Schwarzkopff is not in politics.
 
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