What do you know about the Constitutional Party

#77
#77
Bull crap. This is the one time we as Americans have the opportunity to speak our minds. It may not be a great opportunity but being cajoled into voting for someone you don't like is wrong and anti-American. We have the freedom to chose whoever we like and we'd be better off as a country if we all took that freedom seriously. Do NOT let anyone peer pressure you into voting for a candidate to keep another candidate out of office (like it'd matter anyway). Use your best judgement and vote for the candidate that you think would be the best for this country regardless of party affiliation or regardless of comments like this. These kind of comments are just wrong.

VolunteerHillbilly said:
If you are a conservative and you do not vote for McCain then you are voting for Obama/Clinton. Conservatives are supposed to be pragmatic and rational. You vote for the guy closest to your beliefs, like him or not.
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#78
#78
I'm not giving my money to the big 3 that does not represent WHAT I BELIEVE in. Just me!!!!!!!:):good!::good!:
 
#80
#80
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MG1968 said:
I heard Bob Barr on the John Gibson radio show yesterday afternoon. He (Barr) kept referring to himself in the third person. Anybody who speaks about themselves in the third person is to be avoided.
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Hea! Mills is to be avoided,I agree.:)
 
#81
#81
GAVol said:
One man's "wrong" is another man's "pragmatic".
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The pragmatists are the ones that gave us Dole in 1996 and Bush in 2000. Now, we are asked to be pragmatic, again?

At what point does pragmatism start becoming stagnation and regression?
 
#84
#84
Rasputin_Vol said:
The pragmatists are the ones that gave us Dole in 1996 and Bush in 2000. Now, we are asked to be pragmatic, again?

At what point does pragmatism start becoming stagnation and regression?
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For this election? I think it's too late. Anything I can do to keep Obamo or Hillary out of the White House is a vote well spent. That's where I'm at on this, others of course will make their own choices. What I want that addresses your question is that a truly conservative leader emerge on the R side that gets nominated in the first place so I don't have these kinds of distasteful choices in the general election. It truly is frustrating though.
 
#85
#85
hndog609 said:
For this election? I think it's too late. Anything I can do to keep Obamo or Hillary out of the White House is a vote well spent. That's where I'm at on this, others of course will make their own choices. What I want that addresses your question is that a truly conservative leader emerge on the R side that gets nominated in the first place so I don't have these kinds of distasteful choices in the general election. It truly is frustrating though.
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Look no further than this thread. What is the title. Constitution Party. Chuck Baldwin. My vote for 2008. Period.:good!::good!::salute::salute::salute:
 
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#86
MillsfieldVOL said:
Look no further than this thread. What is the title. Constitution Party. Chuck Baldwin. My vote for 2008. Period.:good!::good!::salute::salute::salute:
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I know that there are dems and reps that just want to keep the other party out of office because of loyalty to a party . Consider this if you want a true change ( you wont get it with either of these candidates ) , there is another choice .

Baldwin probably has no chance but he does seem to care for his country and I for one will sleep alot better knowing my vote went to the man who has the USA's best interest at heart .

If your happy with our government then by all means dont change a thing because with these two parties things will never change. They have the populus right where they want us , split .

I do not want Obama as my president , mainly because of lack of exsperience but none the less , I am going to vote for the best candidate for my country , imo.:salute:
 
#87
#87
VolunteerHillbilly said:
This will be a close election, same as the last two. "Idealisitc" Ds cost their party the election in 2000 by going off the reservation to vote for Nader. If you are a conservative who ordinarily votes R and you either stay home, or vote for a third party fringe candidate, then you are voting for high taxes, socialized medicine, and chaos in the middle east (and it will be much worse than it is now if the U.S. just pulls out without a government capable of sustaining itsself having been established in Iraq). Justify it however you like. We have a two party system. Try to play outside the rules of the game and you hurt your side of that system. That's just reality my friends. :peace2:
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Somehow, these politicians need to be sent a message. I would love to see the conservative base abandon McCain in droves, even if it means Obama wins. Then, perhaps next time, they will present a truly conservative candidate who the base will support. Yes, maybe that means the libs are in control for a while, but in the long run it might motivate the Republicans to get back to their conservative principles. Or, it might be the birth of a new political party. If the voters don't take a stand, things will never change and it will just get worse.
 
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#88
jamesd1628 said:
Somehow, these politicians need to be sent a message. I would love to see the conservative base abandon McCain in droves, even if it means Obama wins. Then, perhaps next time, they will present a truly conservative candidate who the base will support. Yes, maybe that means the libs are in control for a while, but in the long run it might motivate the Republicans to get back to their conservative principles. Or, it might be the birth of a new political party. If the voters don't take a stand, things will never change and it will just get worse.
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If you vote for a true conservative ( Chuck Baldwin ) then most likely Obama WINS. As much as this bothers me , I still will vote for the one and only true conservative Chuck Baldwin. If Ron Paul gets back in then I would reconsider . It amazees me that there are people who say they aren't going to vote , because now they have a perfect opportunity to send a message that they're tired of these sleezy politicians being conservative to one crowd and liberal to the next . jmo though
 
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#89
TIGER DEN said:
If you vote for a true conservative ( Chuck Baldwin ) then most likely Obama WINS. As much as this bothers me , I still will vote for the one and only true conservative Chuck Baldwin. If Ron Paul gets back in then I would reconsider . It amazees me that there are people who say they aren't going to vote , because now they have a perfect opportunity to send a message that they're tired of these sleezy politicians being conservative to one crowd and liberal to the next . jmo though
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I'm not saying that Repubs shouldn't vote, just that they shouldn't vote for McCain.
 
#90
#90
jamesd1628 said:
Somehow, these politicians need to be sent a message. I would love to see the conservative base abandon McCain in droves, even if it means Obama wins. .
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that would be much more palatable if Obama weren't the most socialistic candidate ever and likely to walking into the middle of a heavily democratic congress. If the congress were going to be closer to even or Repub leaning, then I have no real problem with that strategy. Since that's not going to be the case, we would be overwhelmed with a massive shift toward socialism for at least 2 years and most likely all 4.
 
#91
#91
BigPapaVol said:
that would be much more palatable if Obama weren't the most socialistic candidate ever and likely to walking into the middle of a heavily democratic congress. If the congress were going to be closer to even or Repub leaning, then I have no real problem with that strategy. Since that's not going to be the case, we would be overwhelmed with a massive shift toward socialism for at least 2 years and most likely all 4.
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No doubt there is a risk of the country moving further to the left in the short term. However, ultimately, I think it would result in a move to the right, if enough people take a stand to get the point across. With McCain, we'll move slowly torward the left anyway. Then next time, they might give us someone slightly further left then McCain, and put him up against someone further left than Obama, forcing us again to chose the lesser of two evils. Thus, we slowly drift further and further left, as we have been doing for decades. At some point, the true conversatives have to take a stand, before it's too late, or we will slowly slide our way into full-fledged socialism and then communism. Frankly, I'm not entirely convinced that this gradual shift to the left isn't by the design of both the Democratic party and the Republican party.
 
#92
#92
jamesd1628 said:
I'm not saying that Repubs shouldn't vote, just that they shouldn't vote for McCain.
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it's a nice theory. Let Obama win so the country will have no choice but to lurch back to the right. What about all the lifetime judicial appointments Obama would make during his 4 or 8 years as POTUS? Or how about a Federal Reserve Chairman like George Soros?

I have plenty of disagreements with McCain, but they're not severe enough to risk my kids' futures to a limousine liberal with Marxist ideas.
 
#93
#93
I can't take McCain, but that being said, if Obama wins this country will take such a huge turn tot he left and get as close to socialism and collectivism as we've ever seen. I know what's ins tore for me with MCain (which sucks), but I also know what's in store for me with Obama.
 
#94
#94
volsforever27 said:
I can't take McCain, but that being said, if Obama wins this country will take such a huge turn tot he left and get as close to socialism and collectivism as we've ever seen. I know what's ins tore for me with MCain (which sucks), but I also know what's in store for me with Obama.
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If we do what the politicians want us to do, which is pick the lesser of two evils, then they will move us to the left in either case. What I'm suggesting is that we, as voters, revolt and no longer be lead around by the nose by these fools who are clearly leading us in the wrong direction. The Republicans have been no better than the Dems in the last 15 years. The only real hope of turning the system around is to abandon both major political parties. They have failed us and will continue to do so. A vote for either major candidate is a vote to move us to the left. And next election, the candidates will be slightly more to the left. Just wait and see.
 
#95
#95
jamesd1628 said:
If we do what the politicians want us to do, which is pick the lesser of two evils, then they will move us to the left in either case. What I'm suggesting is that we, as voters, revolt and no longer be lead around by the nose by these fools who are clearly leading us in the wrong direction. The Republicans have been no better than the Dems in the last 15 years. The only real hope of turning the system around is to abandon both major political parties. They have failed us and will continue to do so. A vote for either major candidate is a vote to move us to the left. And next election, the candidates will be slightly more to the left. Just wait and see.
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Very well said. Try the Constitution Party. OR Home Page
 
#96
#96
KB5252 said:
As long as people continue to make their decisions and vote as you do this country will continue down the slippery slope. The only way we can reel in the democrat and republican parties is to show how unsatisfied we are and how far they have moved away from us. Or we can just keep voting like high school kids for the class president and make it all about popularity.
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To me it doesn't matter whether it's bama or cane . I just wished enough people could understand that we do hold the power and we just have to come together to make it work.

A lot of folks have lost faith in the system but imo our voters are whats wrong with this country not the system .

If we were the greedy politicians we would want it to stay the same also. jmo
 
#97
#97
I think that this is the year that everyone will wish they had voted with their heart instead of their party. Next time around the Independant Party will be a force to be reckoned with. We will grow in vast numbers,after everyone sees what they have put into office. I'll have to live with this for 4 years of decline in the USA! I hate it. Power to the people who vote them in. I'll have a clean mind of who I vote for and be proud of not voting for the lesser of the 2 evils. IMO.:eek:k: PFA !
 
#98
#98
jamesd1628 said:
If we do what the politicians want us to do, which is pick the lesser of two evils, then they will move us to the left in either case. What I'm suggesting is that we, as voters, revolt and no longer be lead around by the nose by these fools who are clearly leading us in the wrong direction. The Republicans have been no better than the Dems in the last 15 years. The only real hope of turning the system around is to abandon both major political parties. They have failed us and will continue to do so. A vote for either major candidate is a vote to move us to the left. And next election, the candidates will be slightly more to the left. Just wait and see.
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Exactly the point I've been trying to make. We are heading in the wrong direction.
 
#100
#100
BigPapaVol said:
that would be much more palatable if Obama weren't the most socialistic candidate ever and likely to walking into the middle of a heavily democratic congress. If the congress were going to be closer to even or Repub leaning, then I have no real problem with that strategy. Since that's not going to be the case, we would be overwhelmed with a massive shift toward socialism for at least 2 years and most likely all 4.
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Who's fault is it that the GOP lost their control of the House and Senate?
 
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