What does it mean to be gay or lesbian?

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Gandalf said:
There is a significant difference, however, in that homosexual sex is practiced between two consenting adults. Pedophiles use the same argument perhaps, yes, that they are born that way and can't help their attraction, but we do not recognize the other party as legally (and probably morally) capable of consent.

Thus also, why this "identity" stuff is a mess. Why cant a 13yo identify as an 18yo? Reality puts the lie to the whole sham. But again, it is a choice.
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True but at one time homosexual behavior was deemed a mental illness as well....as was gender dysphoria but now they are not according to medical "experts". It's always been a choice...people will feel attracted to those they feel a kinship with regardless of their sex. Most men have male friends they love like the do females, but they don't act on it because they are comfortable developing that relationship with a female...
 
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Hunerwadel said:
You said in your previous post that there is "no such thing as a homosexual state of being". Maybe you could clarify that. If two people come together as one in a homosexual relationship I would argue that they exist in a homosexual state of being. If you are hinting at some philosophic argument over what existence is I wouldn't be interested in going there. I can say with a high degree of certainty that homosexuals and homosexuality exists. I agree that while a person can make a choice to have sex with either a male or female they cannot choose whether they are homo or heterosexual. Their state of being in that respect is out of their hands.
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But simply by not sexualizing their relationship and having a deep love for each other, is it homosexual any longer? what if they stop having sex? Point is, "state of eing" you referenced is triggered by an action. A man and a woman can stay together, have enormous love for each other but in no way it be romantic. For example, brother and sister or child hood friends.

gcbvol said:
Interesting take. This would also mean heterosexuality does not exist as a state. They're both opposite ends of the same scale after all.

In terms of Gen Z, there's a massive difference in saying you're something and actually being that something. I question the authenticity of many of these claims.
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Correct - heterosexuality state of being isnt really a thing either. If you have attraction to same sex but only have sex with opposite sex, are you gay? Well you would say, ON THE INSIDE!

but consider a marriage has since time immorial not be held to be valid, in fact can be annulled -IF THE TWO HAVE NOT YET HAD SEX. The act of sex is the defining criteria.

Are those in prisons who have (willing) sex with other men, gay or opportunists? Its not about what they say they are, its about what they do.

And yes, the whole trans kids thing is clearly a social contagion.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
True but at one time homosexual behavior was deemed a mental illness as well....as was gender dysphoria but now they are not according to medical "experts". It's always been a choice...people will feel attracted to those they feel a kinship with regardless of their sex. Most men have male friends they love like the do females, but they don't act on it because they are comfortable developing that relationship with a female...
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Weak argument.
At one time, African Americans were considered to count as only 3/5 of a person. History was wrong about that and it is wrong about the bolded.
God forbid you ever have a child that is homosexual. My guess is then you'd change your tune.
 
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lostsheep said:
Weak argument.
At one time, African Americans were considered to count as only 3/5 of a person. History was wrong about that and it is wrong about the bolded.
God forbid you ever have a child that is homosexual. My guess is then you'd change your tune.
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Nope I wouldn't...id love him just the same. Point is that as we keep moving left along the liberal line, more mental illness is becoming acceptable and pushed by degenerates.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Nope I wouldn't...id love him just the same. Point is that as we keep moving left along the liberal line, more mental illness is becoming acceptable and pushed by degenerates.
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Haha.
So you'd "love him just the same," but also let him know he's mentally ill and a degenerate?
Makes sense.
 
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lostsheep said:
Weak argument.
At one time, African Americans were considered to count as only 3/5 of a person. History was wrong about that and it is wrong about the bolded.
God forbid you ever have a child that is homosexual. My guess is then you'd change your tune.
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Why would he change his mind? Are parents not to love their sick children? Weird take.

Also, what proof is there that the bold is wrong? Cause some people on a committee, many were probably alphabets, decided it was wrong?
 
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lostsheep said:
Haha.
So you'd "love him just the same," but also let him know he's mentally ill and a degenerate?
Makes sense.
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Id get him help...and if he choose that destructive lifestyle that's on him......you can love someone and not respect her lifestyle choices...
 
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lostsheep said:
Weak argument.
At one time, African Americans were considered to count as only 3/5 of a person. History was wrong about that and it is wrong about the bolded.
God forbid you ever have a child that is homosexual. My guess is then you'd change your tune.
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What does the 3/5ths compromise have to do with y'alls discussion?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
True but at one time homosexual behavior was deemed a mental illness as well....as was gender dysphoria but now they are not according to medical "experts". It's always been a choice...people will feel attracted to those they feel a kinship with regardless of their sex. Most men have male friends they love like the do females, but they don't act on it because they are comfortable developing that relationship with a female...
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You are definitely at least a little bit gay.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Except for the whole part where acting on their attraction would be directly hurting innocent children. That's a choice. Remember the ounce of logic part?
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Acting on homosexuality decreases life expectancy by 20 years. And possibly harming other if your carrying say aids or monkeypox...it's a choice based on many factors and mental illness
 
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gcbvol said:
Interesting take. This would also mean heterosexuality does not exist as a state. They're both opposite ends of the same scale after all.

In terms of Gen Z, there's a massive difference in saying you're something and actually being that something. I question the authenticity of many of these claims.
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McDad said:
I made reference to "devoutly" gay in an earlier post. You're communicating my thoughts with questioning the authenticity of Gen Z claiming to be gay. Some of the Gen Z are coming more from a place of choice than innate same sex attraction.
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I would disagree with the bolded. Hetero would exist for propagation of the species. However, I agree with both of you about changing attitudes. My agreement means absolutely nothing also. Just my 2 pesos worth.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
True but at one time homosexual behavior was deemed a mental illness as well....as was gender dysphoria but now they are not according to medical "experts". It's always been a choice...people will feel attracted to those they feel a kinship with regardless of their sex. Most men have male friends they love like the do females, but they don't act on it because they are comfortable developing that relationship with a female...
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hmmmm, I'm not thinking you know what platonic love is.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I would disagree with the bolded. Hetero would exist for propagation of the species. However, I agree with both of you about changing attitudes. My agreement means absolutely nothing also. Just my 2 pesos worth.
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Understood. My high-level thoughts on homosexuality is it is abnormal from a biological reproductive perspective (assuming strict adherence), but also completely natural.

One would not expect to see it persist in the natural world, yet it does in more than 1K documented species (several of which mate for life). There must be a purpose or the behavior would cease to exist.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Nope I wouldn't...id love him just the same. Point is that as we keep moving left along the liberal line, more mental illness is becoming acceptable and pushed by degenerates.
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Wait, what? If you think it's mental illness, why does that make it less acceptable? If I find out somebody has anxiety, I am more accepting. I don't go the other way.
 
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