What does it mean to be gay or lesbian?

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Orangeslice13 said:
Sigh.
I didn’t ask your definition. I was curious what happened to make you start this discussion.
Never mind.
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I already said in the opening post. I've asked the question several times in several other threads. It is about having a clear understanding of what it means to be gay or lesbian when we are talking about this subject matter and children/teens. @McDad is the only person that I am aware of that gave the down and dirty simple common sense answer. It involves the physical interaction as well as all of the other gaslighting stuff like emotional affection and the rest. You see I'm this very thread that you have the gaslighters talking about holding hands, a kiss or heavy petting.

You can't have an honest conversation about this if you don't acknowledge that this does include physical intercourse. I don't need to hear all of this nonsense about the exceptions... they are endorsing sexualizing kids at the most vulnerable stage in their lives.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Sigh.
I didn’t ask your definition. I was curious what happened to make you start this discussion.
Never mind.
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Just one of the recent examples I am talking about from another thread... he says that LGBTQ children do exist. We if that is the case, then what does it mean for a child to be gay, lesbian or bi-sexual?

gcbvol said:
What's the problem here? It's one of how many patches? And there are multiple ways to obtain this one. Learning about Stonewall is history and in no way inappropriate. Books with LGBTQ characters run a wide spectrum, and are not all full of inappropriate content.

I know folks don't realize this, but LGBT children exist. Not all scouts need to pursue this patch, but there’s nothing wrong with it being an option for those who do.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What does it mean to be lesbian, gay or bi-sexual?
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gcbvol said:
I understand what you're getting at, but LGB/pride content is not inherently sexual in nature. For example, pre-teen/tweens primarily learn about different family make-ups. Keep in mind some of these kids will come from same-sex homes or have friends who do, so it won't necessarily be some completely foreign concept. There's nothing wrong with learning about different family types, imo. It does not and should not get into sexuality at these ages. Older kids can obviously handle more, like learning about Stonewall. But, again, LGB content does not equal porn. It doesn't harm children to learn about different facets of the society in which they belong. My opinion.

It would have meant so much to me if I had age appropriate education about LGB families when I was young.
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I stand by everything I said. Respectfully, some here are dealing with a subject they do not, and cannot, fully understand.

I've already stated I don't believe in-depth LGBT content belongs in early grades. However, simply talking about different family makeups is not inherently sexual. How is mentioning a family with 2 moms sexual when a family with a mom and dad is not? Either both are sexual content or neither. Do we stop talking about families altogether?
 
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gcbvol said:
I stand by everything I said. Respectfully, some here are dealing with a subject they do not, and cannot, fully understand.

I've already stated I don't believe in-depth LGBT content belongs in early grades. However, simply talking about different family makeups is not inherently sexual. How is mentioning a family with 2 moms sexual when a family with a mom and dad is not? Either both are sexual content or neither. Do we stop talking about families altogether?
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That is not even half of the story. It isn't just about alternative family makeups. It is far more sinister than that.
 
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Here's the thing. A lot of LGBTQ folks don't understand who they are as children. But they do know they're different. This was the case with me, my brother, my husband and many others I know.

That doesn't mean we try to fill in the blanks for them. But I do support having age-appropriate LGBTQ books in school libraries for when they're ready to do some research.

I understand some of you believe you can turn kids gay, but I couldn't disagree more. If it was possible to change one's sexuality it would have happened for me some 30 years ago.
 
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gcbvol said:
Here's the thing. A lot of LGBTQ folks don't understand who they are as children. But they do know they're different. This was the case with me, my brother, my husband and many others I know.

That doesn't mean we try to fill in the blanks for them. But I do support having age-appropriate LGBTQ books in school libraries for when they're ready to do some research.

I understand some of you believe you can turn kids gay, but I couldn't disagree more. If it was possible to change one's sexuality it would have happened for me some 30 years ago.
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Honest question....you said as a child you knew you were different did you have any LGBTQ influences around you? Also if you can remember did you feel like you didn't belong in traditional hetero settings?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Honest question....you said as a child you knew you were different did you have any LGBTQ influences around you? Also if you can remember did you feel like you didn't belong in traditional hetero settings?
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I had no concept of what gay was. I started noticing at 11 or 12 when my friends started 'going together' and talking about who they thought was cute, etc. I didn't understand any of that and wasn't really attracted to anyone. I figured I was just a late bloomer.

Not sure I understand your last question, but I felt comfortable in a heterosexual home. I was always more comfortable with girls, but interacted fine with both.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
And then you outed your actual reason just a few posts ago.
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And he also disqualified all answers that he disagrees with as not common sense.

What about this common sense? Long before I ever kissed a girl, I knew I liked them. I even got boners for them before I ever held hands or kissed. I've never got a boner for a man. That's how you know your orientation exists without taking it to a physical level with another person.
 
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n_huffhines said:
And he also disqualified all answers that he disagrees with as not common sense.

What about this common sense? Long before I ever kissed a girl, I knew I liked them. I even got boners for them before I ever held hands or kissed. I've never got a boner for a man. That's how you know your orientation exists without taking it to a physical level with another person.
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I'd like your post but since you're talking about boners, that might make me gay.
 
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gcbvol said:
I had no concept of what gay was. I started noticing at 11 or 12 when my friends started 'going together' and talking about who they thought was cute, etc. I didn't understand any of that and wasn't really attracted to anyone. I figured I was just a late bloomer.

Not sure I understand your last question, but I felt comfortable in a heterosexual home. I was always more comfortable with girls, but interacted fine with both.
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Thank you, that's similar to what my friends have said regarding that time period. If my opinion has bothered you I apologize it wasn't meant to offend, just for conversation purposes. How did you know you were gay and not asexual?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Thank you, that's similar to what my friends have said regarding that time period. If my opinion has bothered you I apologize it wasn't meant to offend, just for conversation purposes. How did you know you were gay and not asexual?
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No worries at all. The gay part came later. I didn't understand what it was then, but now I understand the attraction to guys began in middle school. Again, I still didn't understand what gay was at that point. Ultimately, I didn't come out until I was 21 after a few years of fighting it like hell. I've only been with one person and we'll hit 30 years in December.
 
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gcbvol said:
No worries at all. The gay part came later. I didn't understand what it was then, but now I understand the attraction to guys began in middle school. Again, I still didn't understand what gay was at that point. Ultimately, I didn't come out until I was 21 after a few years of fighting it like hell. I've only been with one person and we'll hit 30 years in December.
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That's amazing.. Congrats... Glad you found happiness.... Thanks for your insight
 
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Well the original definition of gay was things like carefree and joyful. Just like so many other things, humans have took something and changed it for the worst.
 
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