What does it mean to be gay or lesbian?

[LouderVol]

It is more than a cultural issue. It is a health issue. This is insanity that we are now ignoring health issues based on what is essentially bullying. I mean we study everything. You see the federal grants all the time for hundreds of stupid studies like “can pigeons distinguish between good and bad paintings”. Yet, look for a study on average lifespan for homosexuals. Why will you not see much? Do we not like the answer? Is that a positive approach to learning? Don’t study X, we might not like the answer we get?????

The behavior is abnormal. The left doesn’t even want that stated. I believe it is abnormal and detrimental. That certainly isn’t tolerable for debate in our current culture. That is scary.

is there something that calls that into question?

and what are you taking into consideration as far as mental health, beyond sexual preference if you consider that a mental health issue for some reason? Are you controlling for the fact they are bullied most of their lives, often separated from family, and any number of common sparks to various mental health issues found in the general public?

I mean besides the actions of one Dr. Fauci lying to the American public and mistreating a subset of the population because they didn't align with his current political goals? to the point of denying them actual solid medical care and replacing it with the same pseudo science you are complaining about now. and yes I am drawing the pretty clear line between his treatment of gay and AIDS, and the generally-right-leaning and Covid by Dr. Fauci.

most people conveniently forget/never knew that many of the things most people believe about a gay person's lifestyle stem from that man's lies and fallacies.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Yes, this PF where the same 20 people talk everyday. I have been brainwashed by this echo chamber. That is surely what you meant by your original assertion. Can you lie to yourself that well?

I would not base my opinions on popularity.

You do realize this is social media, right?

You're in pretty deep, and ripe for taking....

 

[85SugarVol]

Yeah, I misread. I was referencing the boomer line.

The point is increases and decreases give credence to choice being a part of sexual expression. I don't believe it is all (please note the emphasis) due to born that way.

Got ya.

 

[85SugarVol]

I had a relative go thru this with a child for 4 years and had visits with multiple different mental health care providers. None addressed the transgender as the problem. It was all about making the family understand and do better.

In this particular point I am pointing at mental health providers. It is still easy to find pediatricians that do not abide by these beliefs.

How old was the child?

Not to pry, just curious. I understand if you’d rather not share.

 

[allvol123]

How old was the child?

Not to pry, just curious. I understand if you’d rather not share.

Started at 14, 4 years ago.

 

[allvol123]

You do realize this is social media, right?

You're in pretty deep, and ripe for taking....

Yes, but that is not what you were referring to, or you would have said VN.

 

[allvol123]

is there something that calls that into question?

and what are you taking into consideration as far as mental health, beyond sexual preference if you consider that a mental health issue for some reason? Are you controlling for the fact they are bullied most of their lives, often separated from family, and any number of common sparks to various mental health issues found in the general public?

I mean besides the actions of one Dr. Fauci lying to the American public and mistreating a subset of the population because they didn't align with his current political goals? to the point of denying them actual solid medical care and replacing it with the same pseudo science you are complaining about now. and yes I am drawing the pretty clear line between his treatment of gay and AIDS, and the generally-right-leaning and Covid by Dr. Fauci.

most people conveniently forget/never knew that many of the things most people believe about a gay person's lifestyle stem from that man's lies and fallacies.

I am a few beers in at this point, but I’ll give you a quick response.

I am for knowledge. I don’t believe there is an open minded approach from a scientific/medical standpoint to most of this, at this point.

I am not controlling for anything because I am not doing studies. I can recall only finding one study with relation to lifespan and homosexuality and the hope was to bring attention to lack of proper medical care for this community. I think because there is an agenda among many that this research is not pursued because they don’t want to see the results. Control for whatever, I am all for that. But we are playing Russian roulette with millions of lives if we’re just going to go with “yea there is a lot of suicide but we’re sure that is just because they are ostracized “. If that is the wrong reason and no one is pursuing other reasons, millions of lives will have been ruined.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I don’t need insight to what you might say, I read what you wrote. You made an accusation that proved to be false and instead of owning up to it, you prefer to be dishonest. Not my issue.

Please list the false statement. Hey, I will own up to it if it is false. Quickly too. Name it

 

[allvol123]

Please list the false statement. Hey, I will own up to it if it is false. Quickly too. Name it

I can’t make you drink the water. Just stare at it.

Don’t you have dinner guests to entertain or is there only so much Indigo Girls and WNBA conversation you can stomach?

 

[85SugarVol]

I am a few beers in at this point, but I’ll give you a quick response.

BB has entered the chat

 

[allvol123]

BB has entered the chat

Bwahaaa. I really just lol’d. Bravo!

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I can’t make you drink the water. Just stare at it.

Don’t you have dinner guests to entertain or is there only so much Indigo Girls and WNBA conversation you can stomach?

That's pretty funny...

 

[82_VOL_83]

I've never understood why "lesbian" has to be mentioned. Doesn't "gay" already include them? Seems redundant and a mouthful to have say both

I see what you did there.

 

[Hunerwadel]

I'm just curious because it seems like one side has one understanding of what it means and the other side has another understanding.

Can we clarify what these terms mean so that we can move the discussion forward and have an honest dialogue?

You should go out and meet a few if you really want to know. Go have a beer in a gay or lesbian bar. They won't bite. (unless you want them to)

 

[Septic]

I don’t really care about the question. To me it’s self evident but just for you I’ll sorta answer it.
Which brings me full circle to my question. I find you to be of above average intelligence. So I’m curious as to why you’re asking this question. If you simply don’t want to answer, that’s okay too

 

[82_VOL_83]

Personally, I think there is far more choice involved in human sexual experience than either the gay or hetero militants are comfortable acknowledging. That said, there are people who are born with some hard wiring which I don't fully understand (and frankly don't need to understand).

Was thinking about this on the drive home. Is anyone really anything unless they openly acknowledge it? Prior to cancer I barely mentioned my family. I don't know if Ras is married. Therefore, in some respect gay is by choice since it is a label that you apply to yourself. This isn't a fully thought out line of thinking but it's a start.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Does watching hot, drunk sorority girls kiss count?

Dammit you hacked my network. Freaking incognito tabs are a lie.

 

[82_VOL_83]

It's biological in nature for the propagation of the species...when homosexual intercourse brings about a natural birth or there is a definitive genetic marker...then it's a choice IMO..part of mental illness if you really wanna know....
As for me choosing. It was never a choice...due to my biology

Is it a mental illness that is chosen?

 

[82_VOL_83]

I don't think it was a jab. allvol interacts with me in a healthy way.

Hey buddy, don't ask don't tell. Just sayin.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Which brings me full circle to my question. I find you to be of above average intelligence. So I’m curious as to why you’re asking this question. If you simply don’t want to answer, that’s okay too

McDad already hit on it earlier.

A romantic attraction complete with physical and emotional intimacy to people of the same gender/sex.

Whenever these discussions about children being classified or identifying as "gay" or "lesbian", the implication is that these children are sexually active or engaging in gay/lesbian activity.

 

[McDad]

McDad already hit on it earlier.



Whenever these discussions about children being classified or identifying as "gay" or "lesbian", the implication is that these children are sexually active or engaging in gay/lesbian activity.

Physical intimacy can be sex. But there are other forms of physical intimacy.

When girls became appealing to me, we held hands, hugged, kissed, etc. I was much older (college) before anything further was done. I was hetero then and am now.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Physical intimacy can be sex. But there are other forms of physical intimacy.

When girls became appealing to me, we held hands, hugged, kissed, etc. I was much older (college) before anything further was done. I was hetero then and am now.

Let's not pretend that they are not sexualizing these children. These people are going further than just heavy petting. Hell, you see right now that people are getting offended over pedophilia and this Sound of Freedom movie. They are promoting perversion on children.

 

[Gandalf]

I'm just curious because it seems like one side has one understanding of what it means and the other side has another understanding.

Can we clarify what these terms mean so that we can move the discussion forward and have an honest dialogue?

I have to say that I am not sure there is such a thing as being gay. Certainly we haven't found any genetic or DNA evidence of it, that I am aware of.

There certainly is homosexual attraction, which for some people is very strong and durable, while in others, transitory.

And people of the same sex can have deep, loving relationships without it being in any way "eros". Indeed too much "philadelphia" has been corrupted into a sexual thing, when it is not made so.

The one thing that you can choose is who to have sex with - so I would argue that there is no such thing as a homosexual state of being, only people who willingly choose to have homosexual sex with others of the same gender.

 

[Hunerwadel]

I have to say that I am not sure there is such a thing as being gay. Certainly we haven't found any genetic or DNA evidence of it, that I am aware of.

There certainly is homosexual attraction, which for some people is very strong and durable, while in others, transitory.

And people of the same sex can have deep, loving relationships without it being in any way "eros". Indeed too much "philadelphia" has been corrupted into a sexual thing, when it is not made so.

The one thing that you can choose is who to have sex with - so I would argue that there is no such thing as a homosexual state of being, only people who willingly choose to have homosexual sex with others of the same gender.

That is one of the most profoundly ignorant statements I have ever read on this forum. You are actually saying that homosexuality is a choice. Do you know any homosexuals or ever had a real conversations with any. If you had you would know it is not a choice. They are who and what they are just like you are who and what you are. Or perhaps you are confused because one day you just decided to be heterosexual.

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[Weezer]

Physical intimacy can be sex. But there are other forms of physical intimacy.

When girls became appealing to me, we held hands, hugged, kissed, etc. I was much older (college) before anything further was done. I was hetero then and am now.

That's not what @LouderVol said....