What does Tennessee have to do to make the NCAAT now?

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Dr H Lecter said:
I agree that the timing is at the end, but I always thought that playing better toward the end was more important than playing crappy at the end. If we beat Auburn, and that’s a large if, no one else has knocked off Florida, Auburn, and Florida. It kind of baffles me.
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That's why the pundits say that if you beat Auvurn Saturday you are in the discussion and likely just a win away. Heck maybe even without an SECT win you could be in.
 
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scottchatt said:
I feel like he is mixing the SECT and NCAAT. Florida could potentially move to a SECT #2 with a win over Kentucky, LSU obviously could. So maybe he has read or heard something about that. Then maybe he also heard some stuff about bid thieves in the NCAAT and is mixing those two together? I don't know. It didn't make a lot of sense.
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Yeah, if FL wins SECT , they have a shot of 2-3 seed in tourney and that’s not really good for us. . It’s fine if they make it to the SEC champ game, but they shouldn’t win it.
In that scenario.. FL locks up the Auto Bid which will take a spot from a SEC team. Same if LSU wins. That means that you could use the SEC champ as the cut off line. ... saying “all these teams behind KY and AU are in the similar boat, but FL put themselves in a different category now”.
We need the committee to put TN in the same tier/discussion with FL, LSU, Miss St, and SC. . If another team from “our group” goes to the KY/AU tier/discussion, the committee can easily dismiss more teams in our group .
 
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OrngeJuiceJones said:
I wonder if the ncaa committee would take into consideration any of our roster changes because of Turner being out 20 games, and how our roster has changed? Maybe give us some credit there.
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There is only so much of this kind of stuff that they can consider. All teams deal with injury issues. A situation like Arkansas where they go 0-5 without a 16 point a game scorer and something like 19-8 with him is the kind of situation they look at.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Yeah, if FL wins SECT , they have a shot of 2-3 seed in tourney and that’s not really good for us. . It’s fine if they make it to the SEC champ game, but they shouldn’t win it.
In that scenario.. FL locks up the Auto Bid which will take a spot from a SEC team. Same if LSU wins. That means that you could use the SEC champ as the cut off line. ... saying “all these teams behind KY and AU are in the similar boat, but FL put themselves in a different category now”.
We need the committee to put TN in the same tier/discussion with FL, LSU, Miss St, and SC. . If another team from “our group” goes to the KY/AU tier/discussion, the committee can easily dismiss more teams in our group .
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So much wrong here

two things.

1) LSU/florida can’t possibly be a 2 or 3 seed even if they win the sec tourney. See Auburn seed for proof last year

2) LSU and florida are in the Dance
Now. They won’t be taking a spot if they win the sec tourney. They already have one
 
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BruinVol said:
So much wrong here

two things.

1) LSU/florida can’t possibly be a 2 or 3 seed even if they win the sec tourney. See Auburn seed for proof last year

2) LSU and florida are in the Dance
Now. They won’t be taking a spot if they win the sec tourney. They already have one
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Truth
 
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For discussion sake let’s say we win vs the Barn.
To me that puts us firmly on the bubble probably in the “first four out” if that means anything.
But all this talk about how many wins in the SECT.... it matters far more who you play and beat (or lose to). We could not afford any loses to anyone outside of KY, Fla, LSU or Auburn. And we probably need an additional Q1 or Q2 win. Seeding will be very interesting for next weekend
 
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DocVol said:
A 14-loss, 2-game over .500 conference record, mid-tier in a down SEC does not get into the NCAA without winning the SECT.
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I am with you here. I believe now we are an NIT lock. Every win pulls us closer to the tourney, one loss and we are done, unless that loss is to Ky in the championship game. Then it’s a bubble team. Just win it all and get in. We are due some good luck in matchups. Hope we get some.
 
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BruinVol said:
So much wrong here

two things.

1) LSU/florida can’t possibly be a 2 or 3 seed even if they win the sec tourney. See Auburn seed for proof last year

2) LSU and florida are in the Dance
Now. They won’t be taking a spot if they win the sec tourney. They already have one
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1. The 2-3 seed might be too high but 3-5 seed is possible.
2. I’m probably confusing people on this. I’m not talking about them “taking a spot from another team”. I’m suggesting that if FL or LSU win the tourney, the committee will cut off the line right there for any SEC teams to get in. That will allow more teams from other conferences to move in. You want the SEC to get potential 6-7 teams in.. not 3-4 teams.
 
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Dougie_D said:
1. The 2-3 seed might be too high but 3-5 seed is possible.
2. I’m probably confusing people on this. I’m not talking about them “taking a spot from another team”. I’m suggesting that if FL or LSU win the tourney, the committee will cut off the line right there for any SEC teams to get in. That will allow more teams from other conferences to move in. You want the SEC to get potential 6-7 teams in.. not 3-4 teams.
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Still makes no
Sense

LSU or Florida are in the tourney no matter what
 
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BruinVol said:
Still makes no
Sense

LSU or Florida are in the tourney no matter what
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Yes I agree but FL is considered on the Bubble. Regardless , I’m suggesting that if FL or LSU wins, the committee will stick with the plan of 4 SEC teams. In some bracket reports, there will be 4 conferences with 6 or more teams. BIG 10 (10) , BIG east (7), PAC12 (7) and the BIG12 (6) ... take their automatic bids and that’s a whopping 26 teams to consider out of 4 conferences. There’s potential spots for SEC to grab away from these 4 conferences. In comparison, right now SEC is considered a mid-major to these conferences. FL is number 4 in SEC right now with a 11-6 record in conference play. PAC12 Arizona is 4th with a 10-7 record. Big12TexasTech is 4th with a 9-8 record. If the committee already thinks PAC12 and BIG12 are stronger conferences, we can’t allow anybody besides KY,AU, or (of course us) to take up an automatic bid and allow the other teams in other conferences to be considered
 
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Dougie_D said:
Yes I agree but FL is considered on the Bubble. Regardless , I’m suggesting that if FL or LSU wins, the committee will stick with the plan of 4 SEC teams. In some bracket reports, there will be 4 conferences with 6 or more teams. BIG 10 (10) , BIG east (7), PAC12 (7) and the BIG12 (6) ... take their automatic bids and that’s a whopping 26 teams to consider out of 4 conferences. There’s potential spots for SEC to grab away from these 4 conferences. In comparison, right now SEC is considered a mid-major to these conferences. FL is number 4 in SEC right now with a 11-6 record in conference play. PAC12 Arizona is 4th with a 10-7 record. Big12TexasTech is 4th with a 9-8 record. If the committee already thinks PAC12 and BIG12 are stronger conferences, we can’t allow anybody besides KY,AU, or (of course us) to take up an automatic bid and allow the other teams in other conferences to be considered
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Only way what you are saying makes any sense is if you are saying the SEC needs someone other than kent, AU, FL
Or LSU to win the tourney so they get 5 teams even though I don’t agree with that. if you are saying anything else It makes no sense
 
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Can we now agree that all 8 spots in the play-in game have made the tournament? I don't know if they still call it the "First Four", but if they are then it's a promotional fail that suggests that the 4 that lose are the first four on the outside of the NCAAT field.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Can we now agree that all 8 spots in the play-in game have made the tournament? I don't know if they still call it the "First Four", but if they are then it's a promotional fail that suggests that the 4 that lose are the first four on the outside of the NCAAT field.
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Yes but really there are only 4 in the play in games that matter to us
 
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BruinVol said:
Yes but really there are only 4 in the play in games that matter to us
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Which raises the question, if the other 4 in the play-in games were automatic qualifiers but lose, how could it ever be argued that that all 8 weren't in? I'm just glad that Cuonzo won 6 years ago so that the debate was never started on VN by the Negavols.
 
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Giveem6 said:
If we somehow keep the magic alive and get to 20 wins we would be in no doubt. If we somehow get a win against Auburn and get a win in the tourney at 19 wins we are squarely on the bubble with a shot to get in. If we beat Auburn Saturday we would have victories of 4 top 25 teams when we played them, VCU, Washington, Kentucky, and Auburn.
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Don’t think we’d be square on the bubble at 19 we need 20. If Fulky keeps this going I wouldn’t be surprised if we get to 20 though, Washington and VCU aren’t good wins anymore so we really need 20. That win AT Rupp in MARCH is as good a win as anyone in the country has imo
 
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BruinVol said:
Only way what you are saying makes any sense is if you are saying the SEC needs someone other than kent, AU, FL
Or LSU to win the tourney so they get 5 teams even though I don’t agree with that. if you are saying anything else It makes no sense
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No.. I’m saying that if LSU or FL win , the committee will only take 4... we need LSU and FL to be more in our tier.. NOT in KY and AU tier.
Right now, the committee is already projecting 4 SEC teams. There is NO way the committee is gonna take only 2 (AU/KY) and ADD 2 teams separate or same major conference. They either take 4 SEC teams or expand to 6-7. If those 2 teams (KY/AU)win the SECT , it forces LSU and FL to be in our cluster box. That’s what we need. Shake up LSU, FL, TN, Miss ST, and SOuth Carolina and then ADD teams ranked 4-6 from the big east , big 12, pac12, big10... now, how would they be ranked?
 
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Dougie_D said:
No.. I’m saying that if LSU or FL win , the committee will only take 4... we need LSU and FL to be more in our tier.. NOT in KY and AU tier.
Right now, the committee is already projecting 4 SEC teams. There is NO way the committee is gonna take only 2 (AU/KY) and ADD 2 teams separate or same major conference. They either take 4 SEC teams or expand to 6-7. If those 2 teams (KY/AU)win the SECT , it forces LSU and FL to be in our cluster box. That’s what we need.
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I'm not following this at all. FL and LSU are already safely in the field by all accounts along with obviously Auburn and UK. Nothing those 4 do or fail to do in Nashville will knock them out of the field. They're playing for seeding. What a team like Tennessee, SC, or Mississippi State does, however, could lead to a fifth team making it. Very, very unlikely that more than one of those teams gets in. 5 is the max for the SEC. 4 is the minimum.
 
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Losing head to head against Arkansas and Mississippi State probably doesn't help matters, considering that is Tennessee's competition.
 
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