what happened to Westbrook?

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Darth_Vol said:
Again, I never said nor implied Holly was at fault, nor that the UT medical staff was endangering her. I really don't know how much clearer I can make that to you.



And yet again, watching her play it sure didn't appear to be your typical bump or bruise from the grind of the season. I'm not sure if they showed how badly she was limping after the game on tv. If you don't consider it to be a big issue that's fine. Apparently you're not alone. Time will tell, but if THAT'S the EW we can expect from here on out this team is in serious trouble...
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Your opening post was this : "Why is her injury being so underplayed when it's obvious she is significantly impaired? If this is going to be a long-term thing, the team could be in real trouble..."

Read your own words, the accusation that the "injury is being underplayed" and that it is obvious she is significantly impaired. If you are not suggesting some kind of malfeasance, then why are you making a big deal out of Westbrook playing with a tape job? And if I recall correctly, she was moving fairly well in the first quarter so something could have happened in the game, a knee to the quad etc. that contributed to her later game limping.
 
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I thought she was favoring that leg and had some noticeable impairment of her lateral mobility right from the beginning of the game, and they did show her limping when she came off the court for the last time. I hope she improves this week and her services will be minimally required on Thurs. I thought the announcers were pretty bad overall and I'm not surprised they didn't pick up and comment on this.
 
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madtownvol said:
Actually, I don't think that was a knee brace. On closer inspection, it seems to be training tape around her quad and that extends down to her calf, per this image
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I have seen that kind of taping pattern used to relieve discomfort from patellar tendonitis but it could also be some kind of odd muscle strain. Again, I am guessing that it is a manageable injury, like the shin splints DD had two seasons ago, that an athlete can "play through" but it still poses some limitations. The obvious inference is that the LV training staff doesn't believe playing will make the injury worse and that the coaches feel an inhibited EW is better than no EW at all.

But you keep inferring that this injury may be more serious-- as in "it sure did not appear to be a minor thing." By raising that point, it sure seems to suggest someone in charge is putting EW in potential jeopardy and hiding the severity of the condition.

You have not mentioned any names that is for sure, but hmmm, who would be the authority figure responsible for making such a reckless decision? Think, think, think. How to solve this mystery, since no names were mentioned. Oh, if only "Captain Logical Inference" were here....

In the real world, if EW has an injury that gets more aggravated, you will hear about it and she likely won't play. Over the course of a season, however, players play through all kinds of knocks, bangs, and pulls that don't get reported. That common place state of affairs is not a conspiracy,
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Very nice pic and explanation while CHW might not be the best coach and many of us posters have questioned her ability I have never known/ seen her to put a player at risk. She always comments that it is not he decision but a medical training decision. With sports it’s the trainers and team doctors call as too if the player is eligible to play. We saw that with A’ja Wilson and the cast. She could of played but the medical staff was being precautious but it also depended on the players pain tolerance level. Katie Lou Samuelson has had to sit out because of an ankle and their pg because of shin splints Geno has said he would listen to his staff but love t play his players. I don’t think CHW would open herself up to a law suit by not heeding the medics staffs advice. Plus she really cares about these young ladies. She never forced the issue with Massengale, Jones, Carter, Reynolds, or Izzy. Although Izzy had season ending surgery she was cleared and an opponent rolled on her knee. All in all I think if a player says she can go but the training staff says let’s give her a week of rest til GA I think CHW would do what’s best and rest the kid. She sees and knows that post season success is the only way to silence the critics and restore TN.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Grenada.
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That wasnt a war, it was an attack. Point is the poster seems to think training our Ladies like the military is what is needed. Now I love my country and my school, but in college I want what is best for the ladies first, prepared for life after college and then winning. I question the effectiveness of tearing down the individual to rebuild as the military does, and it's results in winning in life. One only needs to look at the failures of our country dealing with veterans of wars to see the real problem with this approach, and certainly how it could possibly translate to women's basketball and success.
 
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007Racer said:
Sorry, I didn't word my reply correctly. What I was trying to say was, why was she playing that late in the game? Why take a chance on her injurying herself even more? She's a good player, but someone on the bench could have played as well as she was playing injured. That's just my opinion, if you guys will allow me to give it? Hijacking a Thread? If only some of you had a mirror to look at. You would probably see the guilty one. GLVs!
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Maybe because she wanted too, and the coaches and trainers know she wasn't in any real danger of further injury, of course that is the obvious answer so you won't accept it.
 
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xanamanax said:
Funny you should mention turnovers. I remember Holly's critics going ballistic about TOs after the ND game when we had 28, and rightly so. But since then, we've gone 5 straight games with no more than 14 TOs. Will she get any credit for the improvement?
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If the team does good Holly should be given credit, however, basketball includes many parts, so Holly should own all parts of the game. It is not a thing of being ballistic but facing reality. If that middle remains soft, the reduction in turnovers may be meaningless as far as it relates to wins.
 
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VA_VOLFAN said:
Very nice pic and explanation while CHW might not be the best coach and many of us posters have questioned her ability I have never known/ seen her to put a player at risk. She always comments that it is not he decision but a medical training decision. With sports it’s the trainers and team doctors call as too if the player is eligible to play. We saw that with A’ja Wilson and the cast. She could of played but the medical staff was being precautious but it also depended on the players pain tolerance level. Katie Lou Samuelson has had to sit out because of an ankle and their pg because of shin splints Geno has said he would listen to his staff but love t play his players. I don’t think CHW would open herself up to a law suit by not heeding the medics staffs advice. Plus she really cares about these young ladies. She never forced the issue with Massengale, Jones, Carter, Reynolds, or Izzy. Although Izzy had season ending surgery she was cleared and an opponent rolled on her knee. All in all I think if a player says she can go but the training staff says let’s give her a week of rest til GA I think CHW would do what’s best and rest the kid. She sees and knows that post season success is the only way to silence the critics and restore TN.
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If I had a daughter, that was a basketball player, and we were choosing a college coach based upon their character, Holly would be on the top of my recruiters’ list. I just can’t see Holly sacrificing a player’s health for the possibility of a win.
 
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If I had a grand daughter, that was a basketball player, I'd teach her to shoot a damn skyhook. Dean sure can't.... :(
 
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teacherdean said:
If I had a daughter, that was a basketball player, and we were choosing a college coach based upon their character, Holly would be on the top of my recruiters’ list. I just can’t see Holly sacrificing a player’s health for the possibility of a win.
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Exactly... I also remember when Holly first got the job and a reporter asked a question about Jazmine Jones I think and she looked at the media person and asked “am I allowed to answer that” and the person said no. I also remember with Massengale and Holly Had to keep saying it’s day to day as the trainers say. So not to report or disclose something is not as big of a deal especially if they don’t get the release to do so they can’t. 🙄
 
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And another crap game from Westbrook, who only managed 15 minutes tonight. Still no mention by the outstanding LV beat writers....
 
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Darth_Vol said:
And another crap game from Westbrook, who only managed 15 minutes tonight. Still no mention by the outstanding LV beat writers....
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Why don’t you go to campus and ask Westbrook your d**n Self since you want to know exactly what’s wrong with her THAT BAD. You do this EVERYTIME one of our players has an injury. 🙄

Observations that can be made WITHOUT a detailed report being given to the public:

Westbrook is hurt
Seems to be a knee/leg issue
The coaching staff is limiting her minutes
It’s not season ending

There, that’s all you really need to know if you’re not the coaching staff, medical staff, or parent.
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
Why don’t you go to campus and ask Westbrook your d**n Self since you want to know exactly what’s wrong with her THAT BAD. You do this EVERYTIME one of our players has an injury. 🙄

Observations that can be made WITHOUT a detailed report being given to the public:

Westbrook is hurt
Seems to be a knee/leg issue
The coaching staff is limiting her minutes
It’s not season ending

There, that’s all you really need to know if you’re not the coaching staff, medical staff, or parent.
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If she is hurt then she should not play, And lets cut the crap please stop making up excuses for Westbrook. She was the #2 player in the country and to some writers #1, Yes she can pass and we all know that but right now the Team needs her to get on the offensive end make shots. Teams are giving her and Hayes the 3 point shot and they are failing big time to hit the 3.
 
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djtee said:
If she is hurt then she should not play, And lets cut the crap please stop making up excuses for Westbrook. She was the #2 player in the country and to some writers #1, Yes she can pass and we all know that but right now the Team needs her to get on the offensive end make shots. Teams are giving her and Hayes the 3 point shot and they are failing big time to hit the 3.
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Dude, injuries happen regardless of a player's class ranking. No one is making excuses but just noting you know, actual facts.

If you follow sports, (which I assume you do), then you know that decisions about using players who are inhibited by an injury are always in a grey area, particularly with a short bench. I don't know what the injury is but it certainly is impeding her jump shot.

But were making a sandwich of something when, in the 4th quarter, Westbrook changed the tempo of the game? She drove to the lane and got to the FT on consecutive plays? Those two plays resulted in 5 pts. (3 FTs and a bucket on an offensive board when she missed the 4th.) That was a huge turning point in the game So, she gave her effort.

Our problems in last nights game were not scoring but defending.

So, now we are the stage where a LV win has become an excuse to trash players. :no:
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
Why don’t you go to campus and ask Westbrook your d**n Self since you want to know exactly what’s wrong with her THAT BAD. You do this EVERYTIME one of our players has an injury. 🙄
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I do what exactly EVERYTIME there is an injury? Use it as an excuse for Holly falling short in March every year? No, that's your thing...


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There, that’s all you really need to know if you’re not the coaching staff, medical staff, or parent.
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I agree. If you had actually read anything I said in the thread instead of just reading the thread title you would know that...
 
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Darth_Vol said:
I do what exactly EVERYTIME there is an injury? Use it as an excuse for Holly falling short in March every year? No, that's your thing...

I agree. If you had actually read anything I said in the thread instead of just reading the thread title you would know that...
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What?!?! What do you think I did, pulled my response from my a**?!?! I specifically quoted something you “said in the thread”
 
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Darth_Vol said:
I do what exactly EVERYTIME there is an injury? Use it as an excuse for Holly falling short in March every year? No, that's your thing...
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EVERYTIME....you constantly question why nobody is as nosey as you are and wanting to know why an injury happened, where it happened, why no one on the staff prevented it, where Holly was when the injury happened, and why Holly couldn’t see injury coming, those types of things buddy!

You did it with Mercedes her freshman year, JJ her jr and sr year and OMG please let’s not get on how you freaked the h*ll our when the staff was quiet about Massengale’s concussions, you would have thought Holly done something personal to you!!!!!
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
EVERYTIME....you constantly question why nobody is as nosey as you are and wanting to know why an injury happened, where it happened, why no one on the staff prevented it, where Holly was when the injury happened, and why Holly couldn’t see injury coming, those types of things buddy!
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Ok. Kindly quote where I said any of those things. What I did say is I'm surprised no one from the television broadcasts to the media has even acknowledged the injury as it has clearly been a factor in the last two games.... even if to say she is limited by an undisclosed injury wearing the bandage/brace whatever.

LadyVol1908 said:
You did it with Mercedes her freshman year, JJ her jr and sr year and OMG please let’s not get on how you freaked the h*ll our when the staff was quiet about Massengale’s concussions, you would have thought Holly done something personal to you!!!!!
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Those injuries were known, and concussions are unpredictable. I don't remember "freaking out" over it but given how you're making up quotes now it doesn't surprise me that you might be "misremembering" whatever I said...
 
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