What if Loughner were a Muslim?

[volinbham]

For people trying to say they don't want to make it political, you are. What does Hinckley have to do with anything? I can bring up a bunch of killers who's actions were said to brought on by political persuasions of every type. The point is, this guy was a legitimate nut, and his actions weren't influenced by anything of this world. Even if they were, I don't care. Making generalizations about people by the actions of a few isn't my thing, but you guys are just starting to sound whiney that only conservatives are blamed(which isn't even true).

Just saying that simply because the target was of one political persuasion it doesn't necessarily follow the shooter was of the opposite.

 

[Ed12111]

And I think I'm better for it.

If I wanted to get snarky, I'd mock you for not understanding what an idealist is, but I didn't.

 

[BeecherVol]

What do you mean when? They trotted out some former classmate who said he was a far leftist, talked about his favorite book being the communist manifesto, and a million other things. This very website had several debates whether he was right wing or left wing. Don't be dishonest.

They would be who? The investigators?

From the word go, the right "hate rhetoric" was pitched as the cause by the sheriff. Of course he had to recant his statements to "opinion" and not fact.

 

[Ed12111]

Just saying that simply because the target was of one political persuasion it doesn't necessarily follow the shooter was of the opposite.

Of course.

 

[Ed12111]

They would be who? The investigators?

From the word go, the right "hate rhetoric" was pitched as the cause by the sheriff. Of course he had to recant his statements to "opinion" and not fact.

The who would be the media.

 

[IPorange]

If I wanted to get snarky, I'd mock you for not understanding what an idealist is, but I didn't.

I'm not even close to being snarky.

 

[volinbham]

Considering he tried to killed a democrat, that would be the natural position, no?

Of course.

Then I must have misinterpreted you comment above because I thought you were suggesting it made sense to assume the dude was right wing motivated since the target was a Dem. I merely added the Hinckley example to point out that political affiliation of the target may or may not tell us about the political affiliation of the shooter.

From the beginning I've argued we should evaluate after we learn the facts rather than assume particular political motivations.

 

[BeecherVol]

The who would be the media.

Was that before or after this?

From the word go, the right "hate rhetoric" was pitched as the cause by the sheriff. Of course he had to recant his statements to "opinion" and not fact.

Did you expect the "right" to remain silent after these remarks among the many others?

 

[IPorange]

I'm starting to think this is Axion Jaxion.

 

[BeecherVol]

Then I must have misinterpreted you comment above because I thought you were suggesting it made sense to assume the dude was right wing motivated since the target was a Dem. I merely added the Hinckley example to point out that political affiliation of the target may or may not tell us about the political affiliation of the shooter.

From the beginning I've argued we should evaluate after we learn the facts rather than assume particular political motivations.

Makes too much sense when you can pin it on "prejudice bigotry" before the investigation starts.

 

[NEO]

I think you people are racist.

 

[IPorange]

I think you people are racist.

What? because we're white? Racist.

 

[BeecherVol]

I think you people are racist.

The sheriff agrees.

 

[Ed12111]

Then I must have misinterpreted you comment above because I thought you were suggesting it made sense to assume the dude was right wing motivated since the target was a Dem. I merely added the Hinckley example to point out that political affiliation of the target may or may not tell us about the political affiliation of the shooter.

From the beginning I've argued we should evaluate after we learn the facts rather than assume particular political motivations.

I'm saying that for people wanting to blame ideology one way or the other, calling him a conservative would be the assumption if the target was a democrat. And the "defense' would be that he was not a conservative. If the target was reversed, so too would the labels. In this case the target was a democrat, so seeking out if he was a conservative is because of that and not some vast left wing media conspiracy.

 

[Ed12111]

Was that before or after this?


Did you expect the "right" to remain silent after these remarks among the many others?

I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.

 

[BeecherVol]

I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry.

You won't if you think both parties started pointing fingers at the same time.

 

[Ed12111]

Was that before or after this?


Did you expect the "right" to remain silent after these remarks among the many others?

I've deciphered this. You're still trying to play political games, and I don't really care in this case.

 

[NEO]

What? because we're white? Racist.

Yes, white devil.

 

[BeecherVol]

I've deciphered this. You're still trying to play political games, and I don't really care in this case.

The political games started when the murders and attempts at murder occurred. If you think either side would stand and let the other take pot shots with no facts to base them off of your naive.

 

[Ed12111]

The political games started when the murders and attempts at murder occurred. If you think either side would stand and let the other take pot shots with no facts to base them off of your naive.

Who are you preaching to? Do you read any of the posts that precede yours?

 

[BeecherVol]

Who are you preaching to? Do you read any of the posts that precede yours?

Going back to this one? Yes.

What do you mean when? They trotted out some former classmate who said he was a far leftist, talked about his favorite book being the communist manifesto, and a million other things. This very website had several debates whether he was right wing or left wing. Don't be dishonest.

 

[Ed12111]

Going back to this one? Yes.

I don't think you're making the point you think you are.

 

[BeecherVol]

I don't think you're making the point you think you are.

Are you saying that your not sure?

Let me ask this. If these murders and attempts at murder happen, and the left remains for the most part mute of the "right wing hate rhetoric" as the cause. What do you think the response is from the other side?

This should clear it up for the both of us.

 

[Ed12111]

Are you saying that your not sure?

Let me ask this. If these murders and attempts at murder happen, and the left remains for the most part mute of the "right wing hate rhetoric" as the cause. What do you think the response is from the other side?

This should clear it up for the both of us.

I know you're not making the point you think you are. I've never argued about the shooters ideology, and I don't really care. About your hypothetical, I suppose you want me to say the right would have remained mute because they would never sink to trying to pin the actions of a few on a larger group.

 

[KB5252]

I know you're not making the point you think you are. I've never argued about the shooters ideology, and I don't really care. About your hypothetical, I suppose you want me to say the right would have remained mute because they would never sink to trying to pin the actions of a few on a larger group.

I'm quite sure that either political party would score political points in any way possible if the opportuinty presented itself but let's be honest about the left making this tactic their bread and butter since Obama was elected.