What is a successful season

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The OP is the biggest Martin Koolaide drinker around and he is going to use some posts to turn the tables. I will tell you what a good season this year will be FIRE MARTIN!
 
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k-town_king said:
Everybody like who? Fans? Not any experts. We weren't a top 25 team so how were we supposed to be a Sweet 16 team? No one is tempering expectations. We weren't ranked so making the NCAA is fulfilling expectations is it not?

But you didn't answer the question. What would be a successful season? What is a successful season for UT basketball? If just making the NCAA is not a good season what is?
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This; saying we should "at least" make the Sweet 16 is hilarious considering in our history we have a handful of appearances total. Plus you can't ever totally bank on something because you have no idea the matchup you'll get.

That's why people are saying expectations vary.
 
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jcv0010 said:
Why don't you just view the threads about this very subject prior to the season starting?

It's funny how the Martin advocates have tempered how they view success.
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With Pearl, it's touted how he made the NCAAT every year. So is that good enough, or do you need to go back and say some of those years were now a disappointment?

By the definition you're giving, 3 of Pearl's years were disappointing.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
The OP is the biggest Martin Koolaide drinker around and he is going to use some posts to turn the tables. I will tell you what a good season this year will be FIRE MARTIN!
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I'm no Martin koolaide drinker. I simply state facts and stats to back up my opinions instead of just emotion.

I don't have to turn anything. You and JCV are making my point. You don't want to say what a good season would be for us, or what a good season for UT is. But you are sure every season Martin has had he underachieved and was a failure. You don't like Martin for whatever reason and want to see him gone. A lot never supported him and will not like anything he does no matter the outcome.

If I'm wrong what is a good season for UT? What should we expect each year for it to be a success?
 
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IMO we have went backward the last 2 years. I know Martin's record is better the latter part of the season but it's those early games that you can't afford to lose that have come back to haunt. Berth to the dance and winning the first game should be the expectation! That's what have been used to, before Pearl was canned.
 
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This year, I expected to finish 3rd or 4th in the SEC, win a game in the SEC tournament, get at least a 9 seed in the NCAA tournament and play a competitive game in that first round.

So far that's still obtainable. While that would meet expectations, I was hoping for a little more.
 
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Making the NCAA tournament and winning at least one game. At the beginning of the season I expected a sweet 16 appearance and now I'm just hoping by a miracle we get to the tournament.
 
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k-town_king said:
For UT in your mind.


Finishing above projections

NCAA trip

NCAA trip and a win

NCAA trip with no losses to lower seeds

Sweet sixteen

Elite Eight

No matter if you like Martin or not or want Pearl back what do you think is a good year for us? No qualifying factors just what is a good year.
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not dying of a heart attack by seasons end.
 
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misplacedfan#1 said:
IMO we have went backward the last 2 years. I know Martin's record is better the latter part of the season but it's those early games that you can't afford to lose that have come back to haunt. Berth to the dance and winning the first game should be the expectation! That's what have been used to, before Pearl was canned.
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You do know Pearl lost in the first round twice with way more talent than this right? Including a 30 point beat down. He also was a 2 seed that won on shot with 2.9 seconds (by the great gift he inherited CLO) vs number 15 seed Winthrop. They promptly lost the next game to another lower seed. The other year they got to the Sweet 16 and were blown out by a lower seed again.

People seem to think Pearl was going to the Final Four every year. He had two good runs in the NCAA.
 
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k-town_king said:
You do know Pearl lost in the first round twice with way more talent than this right? Including a 30 point beat down. He also was a 2 seed that won on shot with 2.9 seconds (by the great gift he inherited CLO) vs number 15 seed Winthrop. They promptly lost the next game to another lower seed. The other year they got to the Sweet 16 and were blown out by a lower seed again.

People seem to think Pearl was going to the Final Four every year. He had two good runs in the NCAA.
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Keywords: In the NCAA.
 
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k-town_king said:
You do know Pearl lost in the first round twice with way more talent than this right? Including a 30 point beat down. He also was a 2 seed that won on shot with 2.9 seconds (by the great gift he inherited CLO) vs number 15 seed Winthrop. They promptly lost the next game to another lower seed. The other year they got to the Sweet 16 and were blown out by a lower seed again.

People seem to think Pearl was going to the Final Four every year. He had two good runs in the NCAA.
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Sorry, but we're gonna have to disagree that those teams were way more talented than this one.
 
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I stuck with him till this past Gator game, no fire no coaching get the ffffffffffffffffffing U-HAUL OUT AND BACK IT UP TO HIS DOOR, good dude just cant do the job fire him today and get a step ahead of all the others that will be gone.
 
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k-town_king said:
You do know Pearl lost in the first round twice with way more talent than this right? Including a 30 point beat down. He also was a 2 seed that won on shot with 2.9 seconds (by the great gift he inherited CLO) vs number 15 seed Winthrop. They promptly lost the next game to another lower seed. The other year they got to the Sweet 16 and were blown out by a lower seed again.

People seem to think Pearl was going to the Final Four every year. He had two good runs in the NCAA.
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Pearl will never be back, but he would take this team to the sweet 16.
 
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goldvol said:
Sorry, but we're gonna have to disagree that those teams were way more talented than this one.
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This is Martin's third year. Pearl's third year he had a better roster.

CLO over McRae
Stokes/Chism pretty even
JaJuan Smith over J Rich
Ramar Smith over Barton
Tyler Smith over Maymon

Those are just the starters.

Off the bench down low Crews and B Will over Pops and Reese/AJ. AJ and Reese aren't even really post players.

JP Prince and Josh Tabb over Armani and Q

Not even close.

The first year was even worse if you look at the inherited players.
 
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k-town_king said:
You do know Pearl lost in the first round twice with way more talent than this right? Including a 30 point beat down. He also was a 2 seed that won on shot with 2.9 seconds (by the great gift he inherited CLO) vs number 15 seed Winthrop. They promptly lost the next game to another lower seed. The other year they got to the Sweet 16 and were blown out by a lower seed again.

People seem to think Pearl was going to the Final Four every year. He had two good runs in the NCAA.
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I see this argument regurgitated all the time, but the FACT that always seems to come up in my mind is at least BP was there and had a chance to make the final 4. And for the couple of years he may have underachieved in the tourney I will raise you an elite 8 that nobody really saw coming. jmo carry on
 
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k-town_king said:
This is Martin's third year. Pearl's third year he had a better roster.

CLO over McRae
Stokes/Chism pretty even
JaJuan Smith over J Rich
Ramar Smith over Barton
Tyler Smith over Maymon

Those are just the starters.

Off the bench down low Crews and B Will over Pops and Reese/AJ. AJ and Reese aren't even really post players.

JP Prince and Josh Tabb over Armani and Q

Not even close.

The first year was even worse if you look at the inherited players.
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You said the teams that lost in the first round were way more talented... then you decide to flip the script. So if you want to compare pearl and martin, which by the way is off topic, that team was from pearl's sweet 16 run.
 
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k-town_king said:
I'm pretty much with you on all of this.


Its funny how the most anti Martin or Pro Pearl posters haven't answered though. I'm curious as to their thoughts on what is a successful UT basket ball season. Does it change depending on the roster? Sweet Sixteen every year? What?
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Its funny how you being one of them fightingMartins that you want to ask the anti Martins or pro Pearl crowd. Where is your answer to your own question ? Im anti Martin because he is a joke. Martin being a joke has nothing to do with Pearl. This years team. The sky was the limit for them. They just don't have the coach to coach them up. So why don't you fightingMartins tell us what is a successful season is suppose to look like ?
 
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k-town_king said:
This is Martin's third year. Pearl's third year he had a better roster.
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So you are saying pearl had a better roster than martin in the 3rd year. Are you saying Pearl was a better coach? Are you saying Pearl was better developer of talent? Or are you saying that Pearl was better at recruiting? If I didn't know better, it sounds like you're arguing that pearl is much better than martin
 
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tnvols72 said:
Its funny how you being one of them fightingMartins that you want to ask the anti Martins or pro Pearl crowd. Where is your answer to your own question ? Im anti Martin because he is a joke. Martin being a joke has nothing to do with Pearl. This years team. The sky was the limit for them. They just don't have the coach to coach them up. So why don't you fightingMartins tell us what is a successful season is suppose to look like ?
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I'll second that.
 
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tnvols72 said:
Its funny how you being one of them fightingMartins that you want to ask the anti Martins or pro Pearl crowd. Where is your answer to your own question ? Im anti Martin because he is a joke. Martin being a joke has nothing to do with Pearl. This years team. The sky was the limit for them. They just don't have the coach to coach them up. So why don't you fightingMartins tell us what is a successful season is suppose to look like ?
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'FightingMartins'...that's funny.

You know, there are times when it's actually advantageous to have FightingMartins around. I'm sure there were some on the Titanic as it was going down saying things like...'Don't give up hope, we're still afloat!'...or 'Yes, the ship has a huge whole in the side, but we're still afloat and might, by some miracle, still make it to shore!'

Of course, we all know how that trip ended.
 
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k-town_king said:
This is Martin's third year. Pearl's third year he had a better roster.

CLO over McRae
Stokes/Chism pretty even
JaJuan Smith over J Rich
Ramar Smith over Barton
Tyler Smith over Maymon

Those are just the starters.

Off the bench down low Crews and B Will over Pops and Reese/AJ. AJ and Reese aren't even really post players.

JP Prince and Josh Tabb over Armani and Q



Not even close.

The first year was even worse if you look at the inherited players.
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You say Stokes and Chism are pretty even.Chism was a beast. he could shoot the 3 and post up.Not taking away from Stokes because I like him. If I had to pick between the 2 I would take Chism and its not even close.
As far as the rest goes, Martin should of recruited better. Remember he does not recruit players that are already committed. that's on him.
 
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