What is wrong with socialized medicine?

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TENNFOLD1974

TENNFOLD1974

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I'm being sincere when saying this....please explain to me why this would be a bad thing,I just can't see the downside to everyone being able to be looked after if he or she gets sick.We all are going to get sick from time to time.
What other solutions are there for caring for the poor if they get sick(and I mean see real doctors....not students in some medical school), your thoughts?
 
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TENNFOLD1974 said:
I'm being sincere when saying this....please explain to me why this would be a bad thing,I just can't see the downside to everyone being able to be looked after if he or she gets sick.We all are going to get sick from time to time.
What other solutions are there for caring for the poor if they get sick(and I mean see real doctors....not students in some medical school), your thoughts?
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That just isn't going to happen.
 
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TENNFOLD1974 said:
I'm being sincere when saying this....please explain to me why this would be a bad thing,I just can't see the downside to everyone being able to be looked after if he or she gets sick.We all are going to get sick from time to time.
What other solutions are there for caring for the poor if they get sick(and I mean see real doctors....not students in some medical school), your thoughts?
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For one, competition will be stiffled and quality will go to crap. Long lines, less control over your own health decisions. The system we have now is far from perfect, but it is mountains better than the socialized version practiced Euro-style.

And everyone is taken care of. It's called medicare, medicaid, and welfare. And it is in shambles, and bankrupting the country.
 
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TENNFOLD1974 said:
With or without socialized medicine or anything for that matter?
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Anything. There's other unsatisfied needs more important than medical care, anyway. And even if you give the dregs of society access to a doctor. The odds are they are going to make an appointment and then not show up. Or they're going to begin a treatment, have a bunch of insane demands that will inconvenience the doctor and get in the way of him treating others. Then, they won't complete the treatment so the whole mess was a complete waste.
 
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kptvol said:
Anything. There's other unsatisfied needs more important than medical care, anyway. And even if you give the dregs of society access to a doctor. The odds are they are going to make an appointment and then not show up. Or they're going to begin a treatment, have a bunch of insane demands that will inconvenience the doctor and get in the way of him treating others. Then, they won't complete the treatment so the whole mess was a complete waste.
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There is probably a little truth to this. Personally, I have excellent coverage through my employer and I don't think I have been to the doctor in years. I'm not even certain as to who my doctor is. Usually taking a day off work and taking vitamins and herbs clears up any cold I get. Last time I went to a doctor was for a surgery I needed about 3 years ago. Major medical insurance is extremely affordable.
 
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rjd970 said:
There is probably a little truth to this.
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I know from experience that there is an awful lot of truth to this. Seriously, the clinic in Memphis that treats kids for free has worse than a 50% no-show rate.
 
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Who's to say you'll be looked after if it was socalized. You would be appointed a doctor who probably wouldn't give a rats ass if you lived or not. His pay has been capped and he's not in a very good mood. Ultimately the decision for you to get that high risk surgery isn't in your hands or the government controlled doctor. Your fate will be decided by some bureaucrat setting behind a desk that determines your surgery is to costly and you more than likely wouldn't live long anyway. Either that or they'd wait you out to see if you die first. It happens every day in britian and canada.
 
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Cartervol said:
Who's to say you'll be looked after if it was socalized. You would be appointed a doctor who probably wouldn't give a rats ass if you lived or not. His pay has been capped and he's not in a very good mood. Ultimately the decision for you to get that high risk surgery isn't in your hands or the government controlled doctor. Your fate will be decided by some beaucrat setting behind a desk that determines your surgery is to costly and you more than likely wouldn't live long anyway. Either that or they'd wait you out to see if you die first. It happens every day in britian and canada.
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How sad it is that in this society life has little or no meaning,everything else takes presidence over life itself.
 
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TENNFOLD1974 said:
How sad it is that in this society life has little or no meaning,everything else takes presidence over life itself.
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What? If you go the ER doctors are going to work like hell to save you. If you're there because some guy hurt you, police are going to hunt him down and imprison him.
 
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kptvol said:
What? If you go the ER doctors are going to work like hell to save you. If you're there because some guy hurt you, police are going to hunt him down and imprison him.
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but they will do the bare-minimum in the ER if your uninsured
 
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TENNFOLD1974 said:
but they will do the bare-minimum in the ER if your uninsured
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They will get you stable. Would you prefer they hold the room for the guy they found passed out on the curb with a needle in his arm and tell your mom to go home and eat some chicken soup for her pneumonia?
 
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kptvol said:
They will get you stable. Would you prefer they hold the room for the guy they found passed out on the curb with a needle in his arm and tell your mom to go home and eat some chicken soup for her pneumonia?
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of course not...i'm just saying fix the situations not just stabilize them.
 
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TENNFOLD1974 said:
of course not...i'm just saying fix the situations not just stabilize them.
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So if a 300 pound man that's never been on any sort of BP or cholesterol medication or tried any sort of diet and exercise regimen gets dumped in the ER with a heart attack, we're supposed to pay to revive the guy and then a quadruple bypass surgery? Usually "fixing" these type of situations is impossible. It requires continuous monitoring, maybe multiple surgeries and drugs, and things are rarely going to be quite as good as they once were.
 
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kptvol said:
So if a 300 pound man that's never been on any sort of BP or cholesterol medication or tried any sort of diet and exercise regimen gets dumped in the ER with a heart attack, we're supposed to pay to revive the guy and then a quadruple bypass surgery?
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Without saying it in so many words your basically saying let him die,right?
 
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TENNFOLD1974 said:
Without saying it in so many words your basically saying let him die,right?
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I don't want to speak for him, but I think he is basically saying it is futile to try and help people that don't want to help themselves.
 
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TENNFOLD1974 said:
Without saying it in so many words your basically saying let him die,right?
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Not a strong reader, are you? I'm saying save him, but the guy has obviously neglected himself. You can do some things to help him, but he's not going to help himself and ultimately he'll be back in the ER again no matter what you do. It is your responsibility to take care of your health. Your doctor's job is to help you in that regard. If you're doing nothing to help yourself, you're wasting the doc's time.
 
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allvol123 said:
Just wondering. The post about everything else taking precedent over life. Is that your view of the world? Do you live your life differently than that of those you accuse?
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I do apologize for spelling precedent wrong,I guess my opinions are based on the fact that i lack the ability to understand that if you have the resources then a medical facility has no issue with fixing what ails you,but if you lack the resources then your basically S.O.L.
I'm a firm believer in working hard for what you get,but i also believe needing medical care should not be about how much you have in your pocket.
 
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