What is wrong with socialized medicine?

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allvol123 said:
Give healthcare out for free, make it a right. Then your top complaints will be quality and accessibility. Take your pick.
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Exactly. There is no free lunch. People act like they can have everything....quality, accessibility, timeliness, and oh yeah...free.

When it comes to healthcare, quality should be primary, and the U.S. system is second to none.
 
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allvol123 said:
Give healthcare out for free, make it a right. Then your top complaints will be quality and accessibility. Take your pick.
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I'm not in favor of free health care. :hi:

I don't think the U.S. healthcare is bad, I just think more could be done to control the costs.
 
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Anything that is run by the government has a track record of failing and failing horribly. Plus, they would just have that much more control over things that they don't need control over. Also, if you know ANYTHING about non-privatized medicine, you would know that everyone and their mother, brother, sister, aunt, and uncle who has a headache will go because it is free. Therefore it will fill hospitals and emergency rooms with people who don't need anything other than ibuprofen. Plus, it will dictate to people where they can go get treatment and typically won't allow you to go out of state if another practice offers better treatment. Competition is the best way for the economy and medicine to prosper, kinda like a football team we all know.
 
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oklavol said:
It's hard to show statisticly that the U.S. has the best health care. Here are two of the more common statistics used to evaluate health care:

Life expectancy:
World Health Organization Didability Adjusted Healthy Life Expectancy Table
24. United States

Infant Mortality Rate:
Infant Mortality: U.S. Ranks 29th
29. United States
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You can show just about anything you want statistically, depends on your agenda.

1) There are some descrepancies on how countries report these. Some countries report "stillborn" while other countries like the US report "infant death". Stillborn is not calculated in infant mortality rate.
2) Anyone who uses infant mortality as a large measuring tool for evaluating a country's healthcare I would certainly say has an agenda. Most pregnancies could be delivered in a person's house if they educated themselves. We live in a relatively free country that includes some segments of the culture that are free not to give a damn about their pregnancy or life in general.
 
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oklavol said:
I would love to see you discuss that with a few calculus and physics instructors I had. They would beg to differ.
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Change the subject as you wish, but your garbage is just that, garbage.

What agenda did your professors have? Did they have any lobbyists?
 
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Quality. In a comparison with five other countries, the Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States first in providing the “right care” for a given condition as defined by standard clinical guidelines and gave it especially high marks for preventive care, like Pap smears and mammograms to detect early-stage cancers, and blood tests and cholesterol checks for hypertensive patients. But we scored poorly in coordinating the care of chronically ill patients, in protecting the safety of patients, and in meeting their needs and preferences, which drove our overall quality rating down to last place. American doctors and hospitals kill patients through surgical and medical mistakes more often than their counterparts in other industrialized nations.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html
 
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Its all monopaly money, it will still be the same issue forever. Who gets what is the issue. You or me getting the bennies. Or is it the perpetual welfare milkers?

Sorry if it sounds like a socialology prob. Milk away.
 
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allvol123 said:
Lucky for you the tests weren't about US healthcare and how it stacks up against the rest of the world.
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Since you apparently believe you have all the answers, it should be easy for you to provide statistics to support your position but you never do. Then you wonder why it doesn't get weighed heavily.
 
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oklavol said:
Since you apparently believe you have all the answers, it should be easy for you to provide statistics to support your position but you never do. Then you wonder why it doesn't get weighed heavily.
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If you want a statistic, look how many people die from cancers that would be treatable with early detection in countries 1-36. In the UK females get two pap smears in their lifetime. Here in the US, our ladies generally get one a year after they turn 18.
 
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kptvol said:
If you want a statistic, look how many people die from cancers that would be treatable with early detection in countries 1-36. In the UK females get two pap smears in their lifetime. Here in the US, our ladies generally get one a year after they turn 18.
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Keeps the cheese off the Taco.
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oklavol said:
Since you apparently believe you have all the answers, it should be easy for you to provide statistics to support your position but you never do. Then you wonder why it doesn't get weighed heavily.
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It is not about me having all the answers. I am just pointing out how absurd your assertions are. I normally shy away from posting statistics. It just turns into a game of finding someone that supports your idea and then posting it. It is the equivalent of "ooh, this guy over here agrees with me". I don't worry about you weighing anything heavily, you are a pure headline guy.
 
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