What is Your Political Lean?

[EasternVol]

False addition of Communism in the poll. It is not a political system. You have confused it with a totalitarian system which most people seem are equivalent.
Communism is an economic system that seeks to create a classless society in which the major means of production, such as mines and factories, are owned and controlled by the public.

It's political too. You won't get that elusive dictatorship of the proletariat without political changes. Don't forget the CPUSA ran candidates for President several times.

 

[volinbham]

I do see the L leanings with you....

yet still part of the cult

 

[newyorkvol]

Haven’t read back, but I voted not sure. Mostly because I loved bill Clinton. But I’m super conservative. So the balance of the 90’s compared to today makes me confused.

 

[volinbham]

Haven’t read back, but I voted not sure. Mostly because I loved bill Clinton. But I’m super conservative. So the balance of the 90’s compared to today makes me confused.

Monica is that you?

 

[newyorkvol]

Monica is that you?

Monica is that you?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Most of the Rs here are social conservatives and Ds are social liberals. Their view of economics, rule of law, and role of government vary based on the implications of the underlying social issue and often times flip flop based on the issue....

 

[n_huffhines]

So it would appear that the VN PF is comprised of around 70% conservatives.

No surprise IMO.

You count libertarian as conservative?

Edit: nm, late to the party

 

[n_huffhines]

Conservatism is nothing like libertarianism at its core, they just espouse a couple big principles that leads people to associate the two.

libertarianism = are you for

Free markets
Freedom to discriminate
Small government
Business-friendly govt.
Freer movement of people/labor
Free trade
Prostitution
Drugs
Gambling
Social justice
Gay marriage
School vouchers
Lower taxes
the right to choose
Selling organs
2A
Restrained foreign policy
Reduced military budget
Etc.

It doesn't sound all that conservative when you list it all out.

 

[newyorkvol]

Conservatism is nothing like libertarianism at its core, they just espouse a couple big principles that leads people to associate the two.

libertarianism = are you for

Free markets
Freedom to discriminate
Small government
Business-friendly govt.
Freer movement of people/labor
Free trade
Prostitution
Drugs
Gambling
Social justice
Gay marriage
School vouchers
Lower taxes
the right to choose
Selling organs
2A
Restrained foreign policy
Reduced military budget
Etc.

It doesn't sound all that conservative when you list it all out.

Honestly, I believe the entire political spectrum is moving left. So I actually think your list of libertarian principles is MUCH closer to modern conservatism than it is to liberalism. Modern liberalism is easily against 10/18 of your listed principles. Whereas modern conservatism is probably against around 5-6 of your items at most.

 

[MercyPercy]

Honestly, I believe the entire political spectrum is moving left. So I actually think your list of libertarian principles is MUCH closer to modern conservatism than it is to liberalism. Modern liberalism is easily against 10/18 of your listed principles. Whereas modern conservatism is probably against around 5-6 of your items at most.

You only see 5-6 of those on that list that modern day self proclaimed conservatives disagree with..? Interested to see which ones you think those are.

 

[newyorkvol]

You only see 5-6 of those on that list that modern day self proclaimed conservatives disagree with..? Interested to see which ones you think those are.

Free markets
Freedom to discriminate
Small government
Business-friendly govt.
Freer movement of people/labor
Free trade
Prostitution
Drugs
Gambling
Social justice
Gay marriage
School vouchers
Lower taxes
the right to choose
Selling organs
2A
Restrained foreign policy
Reduced military budget

And even a few of those have caveats.

 

[MercyPercy]

Do modern day conservatives do anything to promote small government other than empty promises that no one actually believes anymore? Are you absolutely positive they agree with a free market? They want to reduce military spending?

I think you're trapped in grandpappy's days of conservatives.

 

[MontyPython]

Haven’t read back, but I voted not sure. Mostly because I loved bill Clinton. But I’m super conservative. So the balance of the 90’s compared to today makes me confused.

Were cigars involved?

 

[MHS Rebel]

Wrong. Spoken like a damn Commie.

Britannica
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Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA)

May 30, 2024 — Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA), left-wing political party in the United States that was, from its founding in 1919...

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History of the Communist Party USA

The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) is an American political party with a communist platform that was founded in 1919 in Chicago, Illinois...

Communist Party USA
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Communist Party USA

The Communist Party USA is a revolutionary working-class political party founded in 1919 in Chicago, IL. ... It stands for our interests in both the present and ...

A party can name itself anything it wants. , but the goal of Communism is economic.

Economic policies are capitalism, socialism, communism, and the spectrum between them. Communists need radical politics to install their economic policies.

What you posted was the definition of the Communist Party of the USA.

 

[LouderVol]

Free markets
Freedom to discriminate
Small government
Business-friendly govt.
Freer movement of people/labor
Free trade
Prostitution
Drugs
Gambling
Social justice
Gay marriage
School vouchers
Lower taxes
the right to choose
Selling organs
2A
Restrained foreign policy
Reduced military budget

And even a few of those have caveats.

I think there are a few more astrekiks than you want to admit with conservative/republican types.

free markets/free trade, Conservatives/Republicans typically want some type of tariff to protect America.
Freedom to discriminate, but only against things they don't like. they want their values protected and untouchable, christian faith, straight, white, nuclear family.
small government, not really, they just want the spending elsewhere.
I can't think of any conservative/republican that has pushed for prostitution legality in a public setting.
gambling they are ok with as far as sports betting, but even still there is a line.
i haven't seen most/many push for gay marriage, and have even seen some push to remove/restrict what that means.
2A they will get behind whatever daddy Trump tells them even if its unconstitutional, looking at the bump stock ban.
and I really want to know what R is pushing for a reduced military budget as its own thing. that may be a quiet part of a "smaller" government, but you won't hear them say smaller military.

 

[McDad]

I think there are a few more astrekiks than you want to admit with conservative/republican types.

free markets/free trade, Conservatives/Republicans typically want some type of tariff to protect America.
Freedom to discriminate, but only against things they don't like. they want their values protected and untouchable, christian faith, straight, white, nuclear family.
small government, not really, they just want the spending elsewhere.
I can't think of any conservative/republican that has pushed for prostitution legality in a public setting.
gambling they are ok with as far as sports betting, but even still there is a line.
i haven't seen most/many push for gay marriage, and have even seen some push to remove/restrict what that means.
2A they will get behind whatever daddy Trump tells them even if its unconstitutional, looking at the bump stock ban.
and I really want to know what R is pushing for a reduced military budget as its own thing. that may be a quiet part of a "smaller" government, but you won't hear them say smaller military.

Many of your points apply to me. Years ago I realized either I am not conservative or conservatism has shifted away from me.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Do modern day conservatives do anything to promote small government other than empty promises that no one actually believes anymore? Are you absolutely positive they agree with a free market? They want to reduce military spending?

I think you're trapped in grandpappy's days of conservatives.

Go to the thread about significantly increasing regulations and fees when it comes to the use of social credit scores....

95% of the Rs here will abandon rule of law, small government, and traditional conservative economic principles to go after something perceived "woke"...

 

[LouderVol]

Many of your points apply to me. Years ago I realized either I am not conservative or conservatism has shifted away from me.

agreed, I am the same. I figured out in high school I didn't fall into either major category, and got kicked out of the political debate team because I wouldn't choose just one of the two options. you HAD to be an R or a D, no switches, no taking back, no "inconsistencies".

I was less socially liberal back then, pro death penalty, 100% against abortion, 50% of gay rights, anti drugs, prostitution, and still didn't feel like I aligned too much with the R's of the 2000s.

 

[McDad]

....50% of gay rights...

watching two chicks =/= supporting 50% of gay rights.

 

[LouderVol]

watching two chicks =/= supporting 50% of gay rights.

it did for high school LouderVol.

 

[MHS Rebel]

Conservatism is nothing like libertarianism at its core, they just espouse a couple big principles that leads people to associate the two.

libertarianism = are you for

Free markets - YES
Freedom to discriminate - YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE MIND OF A DUMBA$$. I WOULD NOT WANT TO WORK FOR A PERSON WHO HIRED ME BECAUSE I CHECKED A BOX.
Small government - YES
Business-friendly govt. - MEH. I GUESS YOU MEAN TAXES, REGULATIONS, ETC., THEN OK
Freer movement of people/labor - DUH
Free trade - YES
Prostitution - SIN
Drugs - SIN
Gambling - SIN
Social justice - DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS
Gay marriage - You may live with anyone you want, share your assets with anyone you want. The "act" - SIN
School vouchers - WHATEVER. I'll take it, but I can afford private school. However, my kids are 35 and older.
Lower taxes - YES
the right to choose. IF YOU MEAN ABORTION - SIN. NEVER, NO WAY, NO HOW. MEDICAL REASONS, OK, BUT NO ONE HAS EVER GIVEN ME A VALID MEDICAL REASON (TUBAL PREGNANCIES ARE NOT VIABLE ANYWAY AND WILL MISCARRY). IF THE DECISION IS BETWEEN THE MOTHER AND THE BABY, THE DOCTOR SHOULD DO THE BEST TO SAVE BOTH. BTW: WHEN YOU LOSE A BABY (10/01/1984), IT KIND OF FOCUSES YOUR THINKING. MY WIFE AND I HAVE OFTEN OFFERED TO TAKE BABIES.
Selling organs - YOU MEAN ORGAN DONATION? IF YOU HAVE TWO, YOU MAY DONATE ONE - KIDNEY, MARROW, FOR PROFIT - NO.
2A - I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
Restrained foreign policy - YES
Reduced military budget - ENOUGH TO DEFEND THE USA.

Here are two more - privatize the mail and Social Security.

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It doesn't sound all that conservative when you list it all out.

Someone posted here that I am a commie. See my notes above, then reconsider.

 

[n_huffhines]

Honestly, I believe the entire political spectrum is moving left. So I actually think your list of libertarian principles is MUCH closer to modern conservatism than it is to liberalism. Modern liberalism is easily against 10/18 of your listed principles. Whereas modern conservatism is probably against around 5-6 of your items at most.

I would say just because conservatives aren't against something doesn't mean they are for it. Are they for gay marriage or did they just give up fighting it?

Are they for restrained foreign policy and reduced military budget? My whole life I've had trouble finding conservatives willing to take an axe to the military. There is always a flavor of the year, and right now it's Israel.

And as @LouderVol pointed out, conservatives have never adopted free trade in any convincing way.

Are conservatives for drugs, gambling, and prostitution? None of this stuff is legal in conservative states right? I mean, there are lotteries and probably medicinal marijuana, but these vices are most tightly regulated or outright banned in consevative states.

I count at least 9 that conservatives are not reliably for.

 

[MontyPython]

A party can name itself anything it wants. , but the goal of Communism is economic.

Economic policies are capitalism, socialism, communism, and the spectrum between them. Communists need radical politics to install their economic policies.

What you posted was the definition of the Communist Party of the USA.

No. I provided options for POLITICAL leans. Communism is a political lean. The end.

 

[MHS Rebel]

No. I provided options for POLITICAL leans. Communism is a political lean. The end.

Each of your links were to the Communist PARTY, not to the definition of communism. A person cannot change the definition of a word. Communism is an economic system. The USA Communist PARTY is a means to instill the communist economic system It never ends.

 

[Vol since 77]

I think the labels are all jacked up now. Conservatism IMO is about protecting individual liberty, fiscal responsibility and basically minding your own damn business. I could absolutely be wrong and now that would be labeled something else IDK.

Our 22 year old new college grad says his mother and I are closer to the "classical liberal" from years past, lol. Or what used to be called "conservative".