What is Your Political Lean?

[BigOrangeTrain]

So only 40% of you are Republican?

Just like you aren’t liberal right?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

That test may say Im Libertarian but Im boobies and pie til I die....

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Individuals are lying on here, I'm sure they are some commies on here.

Curious but what’s your definition about being a commie?

 

[PKT_VOL]

I have always identified (and voted) as a Libertarian. However, as I get older, I have become a 10th Amendment Federalist first and a Libertarian second.

 

[MontyPython]

So it would appear that the VN PF is comprised of around 70% conservatives.

No surprise IMO.

 

[EasternVol]

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[LouderVol]

So it would appear that the VN PF is comprised of around 70% conservatives.

No surprise IMO.

calling Libertarians Conservatives is like calling Communists Democrats.

 

[MercyPercy]

Make the poll public so we can shame the responders

 

[KB5252]

I'm not sure what I am anymore. I used to call myself conservative, then realized my views were actually somewhere between conservative and libertarian. But no party seems to truly represent my views. Politics seem to get in the way.

 

[hog88]

calling Libertarians Conservatives is like calling Communists Democrats.

How so? I think calling most Republicans conservative is like calling an apple and orange.

 

[MHS Rebel]

Curious but what’s your definition about being a commie?

False addition of Communism in the poll. It is not a political system. You have confused it with a totalitarian system which most people seem are equivalent.
Communism is an economic system that seeks to create a classless society in which the major means of production, such as mines and factories, are owned and controlled by the public.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I'm an independent voter who refuses to be a sheeple led by a chain attached to a nose ring. As stated before, I listen and read what candidates say to various groups. Since I know they are all money and vote hunters, their message isn't necessarily the same to all groups they speak to. Thus, I get a more realistic idea of what they really are. Horse's mouth view, you know.

Right now, the election process is such a mess, I don't know who I will vote for. There are times when TrumPutin makes perfect sense to me, and times he stinks of Nazism. I never was sold on Biden, never felt he was strong about controlling our border, was gutless about stopping the LBGT allowed to teach and otherwise interact with kids in school settings. Didn't like his inconsistency in dealing with anti-Israeli Hamas imports raising hell in our streets. Didn't like his off and on support of Israel battle with mid-east terrorists. And more. Kamala? She just in the game, true, but long before this, I expressed misgivings about her as President, if Biden kicked the bucket while in office. I don't think she has the background, at the risk of pissing off a lot of people, nor the backbone when it is most necessary to make the tough calls. I think she's too focused on activism issues. Too inexperienced in foreign policy, and too anxious to please all the folks who will demand her attention on their own personal agendas. She could evolve once in office, but I have my doubts. So will be watching and listening to her now.

Joe Manchin? NOPE!!!! He's just a MAGA vampire wearing a Democrat/Independent cloak. At least Trump shows his real face for what he is. Joe M. tries to hide in the shadows. Joe Manchin isn't Batman. Well, I'll just watch and listen, and so what I always do. Vote for who I think is the lesser evil choice. At this election year isn't boring. It is a hell of circus.

 

[LouderVol]

How so? I think calling most Republicans conservative is like calling an apple and orange.

I just don't think it fits with how he uses the term "conservative". unless he just means anyone right of me is a conservative nazi bigot extremist type of thing.

I agree with you, in a discussion about the more specific leanings, any type of lumping together just short circuits the actual conversation.

 

[gcbvol]

How so? I think calling most Republicans conservative is like calling an apple and orange.

It's all in how the "conservative" is split, right? I'm no expert, but I always thought Libertarians were fiscally conservative and not socially conservative (from a consenting adult perspective). The term conservative can include a lot of things.

 

[hog88]

It's all in how the "conservative" is split, right? I'm no expert, but I always thought Libertarians were fiscally conservative and not socially conservative (from a consenting adult perspective). The term conservative can include a lot of things.

I think the labels are all jacked up now. Conservatism IMO is about protecting individual liberty, fiscal responsibility and basically minding your own damn business. I could absolutely be wrong and now that would be labeled something else IDK.

 

[gcbvol]

I think the labels are all jacked up now. Conservatism IMO is about protecting individual liberty, fiscal responsibility and basically minding your own damn business. I could absolutely be wrong and now that would be labeled something else IDK.

I think it's clear your definition of Conservatism is significantly different from today's Republican party, and likely is more closely aligned to Libertarianism.

 

[LadyVolette]

It's all in how the "conservative" is split, right? I'm no expert, but I always thought Libertarians were fiscally conservative and not socially conservative (from a consenting adult perspective). The term conservative can include a lot of things.

Exactly.. Conservative means a lot of different things.. I consider myself a Conservative but I am pro-choice with exceptions and up to around 12 weeks.I do dig that it’s up to the states as.a reflection of what the people in those states want ie if you live in a state where it is banned and you plan on having beaucoup abortions, you might be happier living in a state where they share your values..I agree with Republicans on the majority of issues with some slight exceptions, so that is how I vote.. one issue is not the deciding factor, it is all of them as a whole.. there is not really a party that totally goes with what I see as completely correct, but the Republican party comes a lot closer for me

 

[utvolpj]

It's all in how the "conservative" is split, right? I'm no expert, but I always thought Libertarians were fiscally conservative and not socially conservative (from a consenting adult perspective). The term conservative can include a lot of things.

Fiscally conservative in that the state is so small it can't spend too much anyways. Gop "conservatives" misuse the term since they just want the spending to be for them

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Some of the "libertarians" here are two shades to the right of Lenin...

 

[MontyPython]

False addition of Communism in the poll. It is not a political system. You have confused it with a totalitarian system which most people seem are equivalent.
Communism is an economic system that seeks to create a classless society in which the major means of production, such as mines and factories, are owned and controlled by the public.

Wrong. Spoken like a damn Commie.

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[MontyPython]

calling Libertarians Conservatives is like calling Communists Democrats.

I think the labels are all jacked up now. Conservatism IMO is about protecting individual liberty, fiscal responsibility and basically minding your own damn business. I could absolutely be wrong and now that would be labeled something else IDK.

Hog proves my point.

I'm as shocked as you are.

In all seriousness, my understanding of libertarian creed is that it holds to fiscal conservative and social liberal policy. Which is why I think that many of those here that claim to be libertarian are actually simply conservative Republican.

Hogg, for example, name some... any... social liberal policies you support.

Gay marriage? Transgender rights? Abortion rights? Marijuana legalization?

 

[hog88]

Hog proves my point.

I'm as shocked as you are.

In all seriousness, my understanding of libertarian creed is that it holds to fiscal conservative and social liberal policy. Which is why I think that many of those here that claim to be libertarian are actually simply conservative Republican.

Hogg, for example, name some... Any social liberal policies you agree with.

Gay marriage? Transgender rights? Abortion rights? Marijuana legalization?

It makes no difference whether I agree or not. Not infringing on and protecting individual liberty should be the number 1 priority of anyone claiming to be conservative or liberal.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Hog proves my point.

I'm as shocked as you are.

In all seriousness, my understanding of libertarian creed is that it holds to fiscal conservative and social liberal policy. Which is why I think that many of those here that claim to be libertarian are actually simply conservative Republican.

Hogg, for example, name some... any... social liberal policies you support.

Gay marriage? Transgender rights? Abortion rights? Marijuana legalization?

Or they are left of center 99% of the time but dont wanna say they are Dem....

 

[volinbham]

Hog proves my point.

I'm as shocked as you are.

In all seriousness, my understanding of libertarian creed is that it holds to fiscal conservative and social liberal policy. Which is why I think that many of those here that claim to be libertarian are actually simply conservative Republican.

Hogg, for example, name some... any... social liberal policies you agree with.

Gay marriage? Transgender rights? Abortion rights? Marijuana legalization?

I claimed L and I agree with all those depending on how defined (what rights are you suggesting for Trans - if it's what everyone else has then absolutely; if it's unique to them then no). On abortion my position is that once it's a human (not sure when that happens - 1/2 way cooked?) then one person shouldn't be able to take another's life (Libertarian) unless self defense (mortal threat to mother's life). So pro abortion until some point in fetal development then against it on individual rights basis.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I claimed L and I agree with all those depending on how defined (what rights are you suggesting for Trans - if it's what everyone else has then absolutely; if it's unique to them then no). On abortion my position is that once it's a human (not sure when that happens - 1/2 way cooked?) then one person shouldn't be able to take another's life (Libertarian) unless self defense (mortal threat to mother's life). So pro abortion until some point in fetal development then against it on individual rights basis.

I do see the L leanings with you....