What people around here are Ignoring in the QB debate

[ImportedVoL]

There are so many arguments going on right now about the QB battle.

But there is something that no one is taking into account.

The fact that Dobbs never once faced the 1st string defense. Yes he had a good day and I do not want to take anything away from him, because I like Dobbs a lot.

But the coaches were putting Riley against the 1st string Defense. And would not let Dobbs go against them.

So obviously the coaches have Riley ahead of Dobbs at this time.

It is pretty easy to ball out when you have the First string Offense going against the Second String Defense. Josh Malone vs "insert random walk ons name" and of course he will be wide open..

Worley is the only QB that went 1st String vs 1st String and made anything happen.

Worley will be the starter, and barring any injuries I suspect he will keep it throughout the year.

as for Riley vs Dobbs.. like I pointed out the coaches obviously think Riley is above Dobbs, Or they would have put Dobbs against the 1's at some point to see what he did with it.

I really hope Dobbs at least gets to the point where we can use him in certain packages and against certain teams that have a hard time with a more mobile QB. But as for now, If the coaches won't even put him against the starters in a scrimmage. Then I highly doubt you will see him in any games unless the coaches have no choice like last year when everyone else was hurt except him.

 

[Vol Main]

Agree with above except that Dobbs looked good enough to play, regardless.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

Try this thread. In the OP it has who faced who and the outcomes.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/217186-qb-drive-unit-comparisons.html

When the 1st team O faced the 2nd team D, the O scored 100% of the time. No matter who was leading them.

When the 2nd team O faced the 2nd team D, the O scored 0% of the time (besides the Dobbs botched snap the he ran in).

Worley and Peterman both lead the 1st team O to score against the 1st team D.
Against the 1st team D, Worley lead them on a FG drive. A passing TD drive. And he had the long run that set up the 1 yard TD by Hurd

 

[ImportedVoL]

Try this thread. In the OP it has who faced who and the outcomes.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/217186-qb-drive-unit-comparisons.html

When the 1st team O faced the 2nd team D, the O scored 100% of the time. No matter who was leading them.

When the 2nd team O faced the 2nd team D, the O scored 0% of the time (besides the Dobbs botched snap the he ran in).

Worley and Peterman both lead the 1st team O to score against the 1st team D.
Against the 1st team D, Worley lead them on a FG drive. A passing TD drive. And he had the long run that set up the 1 yard TD by Hurd

Nice, didn't see Peterman scored on a 1 vs 1 series, thought only worley did.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

the whole qb debate is a topic bc its a very important situation going into the season. However, its totally getting beat into the ground and its just April. Ive started turning the TSR guys off when they talk about it for 2 hours on every show. ill be back around june/july to start listening.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

There are so many arguments going on right now about the QB battle.

But there is something that no one is taking into account.

The fact that Dobbs never once faced the 1st string defense. Yes he had a good day and I do not want to take anything away from him, because I like Dobbs a lot.

But the coaches were putting Riley against the 1st string Defense. And would not let Dobbs go against them.

So obviously the coaches have Riley ahead of Dobbs at this time.

It is pretty easy to ball out when you have the First string Offense going against the Second String Defense. Josh Malone vs "insert random walk ons name" and of course he will be wide open..

Worley is the only QB that went 1st String vs 1st String and made anything happen.

Worley will be the starter, and barring any injuries I suspect he will keep it throughout the year.

as for Riley vs Dobbs.. like I pointed out the coaches obviously think Riley is above Dobbs, Or they would have put Dobbs against the 1's at some point to see what he did with it.

I really hope Dobbs at least gets to the point where we can use him in certain packages and against certain teams that have a hard time with a more mobile QB. But as for now, If the coaches won't even put him against the starters in a scrimmage. Then I highly doubt you will see him in any games unless the coaches have no choice like last year when everyone else was hurt except him.

Josh Malone is very refined and hes going to be open most of the time against whoever he is playing against.

 

[ImportedVoL]

Agree with above except that Dobbs looked good enough to play, regardless.

I don't see how you could draw that conclusion when everything he did was against the 2's.

Our 1st string Defense needs a whole truck load of work in order to get good.

Our 2nd string Defense is just flat out horrible in every way.

Although I do hope you are correct, There is just no proof.

Everytime he has played against a good D, he has done nothing but turn the ball over, and been unable to complete a pass. And now when it comes to a scrimmage, the coaches don't have enough confidence in him to even let him try vs 1st string.

 

[orangeblooded2]

With this schedule it will be a revolving door at Quarterback.

 

[TruUT24]

Give ferguson a little time. He hasn't played in an in game situation like that with a live audience since high school. Might of been a little jittery. Everything will work its way out.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

I don't see how you could draw that conclusion when everything he did was against the 2's.

Our 1st string Defense needs a whole truck load of work in order to get good.

Our 2nd string Defense is just flat out horrible in every way.

Although I do hope you are correct, There is just no proof.

Everytime he has played against a good D, he has done nothing but turn the ball over, and been unable to complete a pass. And now when it comes to a scrimmage, the coaches don't have enough confidence in him to even let him try vs 1st string.

With the 1st string O. Thats what most people are turning a blind eye to

 

[k-town_king]

The second team ate Ferg's lunch. The coaches have said the competition has been very close up to this point. Dobbs and Worley stepped ahead Saturday.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

The second team ate Ferg's lunch. The coaches have said the competition has been very close up to this point. Dobbs and Worley stepped ahead Saturday.

Only when he was running the 2nd team offense vs the 2nd team defense. None of them produced with the 2nd team offense.

When put in the same situation as Dobbs (1st team O vs 2nd team D), Fergie scored 100% of the time.

 

[lexkyvol]

Only when he was running the 2nd team offense vs the 2nd team defense. None of them produced with the 2nd team offense.

When put in the same situation as Dobbs (1st team O vs 2nd team D), Fergie scored 100% of the time.

Dobbs running score was with the 2nd team

 

[lexkyvol]

and this is the main problem. all the fergy fans keep this thing between dobbs and fergy going with all the excuses. dobbs played very well. fergy didn't. it's spring. a lot can change over the summer.

 

[k-town_king]

I have never seen so many posts and new threads making excuses for a player before. This is pitiful.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

Dobbs running score was with the 2nd team

Yeah, I noted that on an earlier post. But that was a botched snap that he picked up, not really a designed play. It was great instincts and a great effort, but didnt really lead the team on a drive for it. I guess you can count it though. But still, you cant say they ate Ferg's lunch when running the 2nd team O, when at the same time the only time anyone did anything with them was a botched play.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

I have never seen so many posts and new threads making excuses for a player before. This is pitiful.

Never seen so many posts trying to belittling a certain player after 1 scrimmage, coming from people who are praising another player that had worse outings in previous showings.

Ferg's performance in the O&W game was still better than most of Dobbs games last year... and Dobbs had more game experience at the time.

But just because its Ferg, people like you want to write him off for good.

Dobbs threw 2 picks against Vandy and got sacked a few times. Never threw a TD in that game and didnt even break 70 yards passing.

But you seem to think that these kids dont have bad days

 

[lexkyvol]

Yeah, I noted that on an earlier post. But that was a botched snap that he picked up, not really a designed play. It was great instincts and a great effort, but didnt really lead the team on a drive for it. I guess you can count it though. But still, you cant say they ate Ferg's lunch when running the 2nd team O, when at the same time the only time anyone did anything with them was a botched play.

the fact that it was a "botched play" makes it even better because it shows that one guy (dobbs) when things went wrong improvised and his counterpart wasn't able too. but again, we still have summer and fall practice. i really think fergy fans interpreted the qb thing wrong when no coach has named any of them #1, #2, or whatever

 

[Coug]

I have never seen so many posts and new threads making excuses for a player before. This is pitiful.

This is so true.

 

[lexkyvol]

Never seen so many posts trying to belittling a certain player after 1 scrimmage, coming from people who are praising another player that had worse outings in previous showings.

Ferg's performance in the O&W game was still better than most of Dobbs games last year... and Dobbs had more game experience at the time.

But just because its Ferg, people like you want to write him off for good.

Dobbs threw 2 picks against Vandy and got sacked a few times. Never threw a TD in that game and didnt even break 70 yards passing.

But you seem to think that these kids dont have bad days

c'mon bruh, even u don't believe this. not how the 2nd team defense did fergy. fergy's spring game performance imho wouldn't even touch the vandy game. that was a 9 win team ur talking about. not ur regular vandy

 

[lexkyvol]

and even with dobbs and a depleted wr core, we still played vandy a lot closer than bray and co did, which is why cbj is here

 

[PassedOutAwake]

c'mon bruh, even u don't believe this. not how the 2nd team defense did fergy. fergy's spring game performance imho wouldn't even touch the vandy game. that was a 9 win team ur talking about. not ur regular vandy

7/12 for 83 yards 1 TD, 1 INT and 1 fumble

is better than

11/19 for 53 yards 0 TD, and 2 INT

 

[Coug]

But just because its Ferg, people like you want to write him off for good.

Nobody wants to "write him off for good" but people have no real reason to be backing a QB that they've only seen high school film on. To add to that the showing that was closest to game day experience that he's had he didn't perform and you're still shouting his name to the roof tops. It literally makes no logical sense.

Please feel free to explain.

 

[k-town_king]

Never seen so many posts trying to belittling a certain player after 1 scrimmage, coming from people who are praising another player that had worse outings in previous showings.

Ferg's performance in the O&W game was still better than most of Dobbs games last year... and Dobbs had more game experience at the time.

But just because its Ferg, people like you want to write him off for good.

Dobbs threw 2 picks against Vandy and got sacked a few times. Never threw a TD in that game and didnt even break 70 yards passing.

But you seem to think that these kids dont have bad days

According to the the other Ferguson excuse thread you started he went against the twos mostly. He did worse than any of Dobbs games .Even as a true freshman who played four teams that ended up ranked including three top ten teams. Vs Vandy we had only Pig and actually played a SEC team with a veteran d. He was still 11/19 .The coaches called the game conservative having no threats. Saturday Rf faced the 2nd team with VP, North, Croom , Malone and Hurd. Still worse than any Dobbs game when he faced future NFL players on SEC Ds with less talent to throw to and as a true fr.

 

[lexkyvol]

7/12 for 83 yards 1 TD, 1 INT and 1 fumble

is better than

11/19 for 53 yards 0 TD, and 2 INT

considering where riley fumbled and that if pig doesn't block in the back, dobbs wins the vandy game....NOPE

plus, like u guys want to use excuses. didn't riley have better wr's to throw too as well?