What people around here are Ignoring in the QB debate

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Stage 1. Denial/isolation. Check.
Stage 2. Anger. Check.
Stage 3. Bargaining. Check.
Stage 4. Depression. Check.
Stage 5. Acceptance. ???
 
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coug said:
Nobody wants to "write him off for good" but people have no real reason to be backing a QB that they've only seen high school film on. To add to that the showing that was closest to game day experience that he's had he didn't perform and you're still shouting his name to the roof tops. It literally makes no logical sense.

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Im not shouting his name to the roof tops for him to be the guy. Im defending him because everybody is judging him based off of 1 performance. And yes people are writing him off for good. Ive seen people saying he will never play at UT, that he doesnt fit the system, and that he needs to transfer. Yall were hating on him before you even saw him play. How does that make logical sense?
 
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k-town_king said:
According to the the other Ferguson excuse thread you started he went against the twos mostly. He did worse than any of Dobbs games .Even as a true freshman who played four teams that ended up ranked including three top ten teams. Vs Vandy we had only Pig and actually played a SEC team with a veteran d. He was still 11/19 .The coaches called the game conservative having no threats. Saturday Rf faced the 2nd team with VP, North, Croom , Malone and Hurd. Still worse than any Dobbs game when he faced future NFL players on SEC Ds with less talent to throw to and as a true fr.
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Why dont you check out that thread again.

The 1 time he faced the 2nd team defense while running the 1st team O, he scored.

The rest of the time he faced the 2nd team D, he was running the 2nd team O
 
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i think riley would make a tremendous spread qb

this is zone-read

he doesn't have that type athletic ability for the zone-read imo

i think there's parts of the playbook that could be altered to fit riley, but after seeing dobbs play and a much improved worley and those keep up, fergy will be looking elsewhere.

by him not watching much film, not knowing his reads...i'd say he already has a toe or 2 out the door already
 
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lexkyvol said:
i think riley would make a tremendous spread qb

this is zone-read

he doesn't have that type athletic ability for the zone-read imo

i think there's parts of the playbook that could be altered to fit riley, but after seeing dobbs play and a much improved worley and those keep up, fergy will be looking elsewhere.

by him not watching much film, not knowing his reads...i'd say he already has a toe or 2 out the door already
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you do know we are a spread team, right? the zone read is just a collection of plays. and how do you know he doesnt have the athletic ability... remember... you havent seen him play.
 
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smu...true spread team. spurrier's gators......true spread team

we're more like tebow's teams
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
Why dont you check out that thread again.

The 1 time he faced the 2nd team defense while running the 1st team O, he scored.

The rest of the time he faced the 2nd team D, he was running the 2nd team O
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I'm done for the next night after this. I would like to see where you got who went against who though. But since Dobbs ran with the first team o more would he not be ahead of RF since he only did once? What about Peterman? He faced the first team d more.
 
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k-town_king said:
I'm done for the next night after this. I would like to see where you got who went against who though. But since Dobbs ran with the first team o more would he not be ahead of RF since he only did once? What about Peterman? He faced the first team d more.
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Why dont you check the thread? The source is posted in the OP.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
Im not shouting his name to the roof tops for him to be the guy. Im defending him because everybody is judging him based off of 1 performance. And yes people are writing him off for good. Ive seen people saying he will never play at UT, that he doesnt fit the system, and that he needs to transfer. Yall were hating on him before you even saw him play. How does that make logical sense?
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"Hating on" Riley no, at least not me personally for the simple fact that up until the O&W game I hadn't had any evidence to "hate on" him. Even after the O&W game I'd still say I don't have sufficient evidence to "hate on" Riley. Up to this point so far though(Spring) I'd say I have sufficient evidence to make the claim that he's not anywhere near ready to be UT's starter. Now, hyping Dobbs based on game play and skill that I've personally seen from him, that I've absolutely done.

You didn't really answer my question as to why you are standing behind Riley so firmly as he's yet to really prove/show himself. Is it as simple as you haven't seen what you personally want from either Worley or Dobbs and you're hoping Riley has it?
 
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Dobbs has had exp going in against real D in SEC games and he knows how tough it can be. Butch wanted to give Riley a taste of 1D and he had a tough time.

It is all a growing process!
 
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I was at the game and saw good things from both Ferguson and Dobbs. Both of those two seemed to show a better arm in that final drill than did Worley or Peterman. Obviously Dobbs had a great day, but I also saw Riley show some escapability moves in the middle of some of the pass rush pressure on him. To brag on either one of these two does not have to mean someone is bashing the other.
 
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Vols4ever said:
Dobbs has had exp going in against real D in SEC games and he knows how tough it can be. Butch wanted to give Riley a taste of 1D and he had a tough time.

It is all a growing process!
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I mentioned this possibility/tactic in another QB thread and KBvol and others jumped on me for even suggesting it.
 
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All I know is I'm ready to see the vols have some winning seasons for a change!! Based off what I seen last year from dobbs I don't think he is answer...he is an interception throwing machine and he knows how to fumble pretty good too!!...with that being said... turnovers kill us year in and year out and from what eveyone is saying abiut ferguson he ain't ready either....so hand the reins over to worley n lets get behind the kid and support him and go recruit gibson or gentry or someone that can help us get some W's!!!!!!!!GBO!!!!
 
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k-town_king said:
I have never seen so many posts and new threads making excuses for a player before. This is pitiful.
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Then you weren't around last season for the countless posts excusing Dobbs of everything.

Before you guys light me up, I feel that Dobbs moved up the ladder Saturday. If going into the scrimmage Riley was ahead of Dobbs, I think that has changed. Dobbs was impressive. I just wished we could have seen him go against the first team defense.
 
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coug said:
Nobody wants to "write him off for good" but people have no real reason to be backing a QB that they've only seen high school film on. To add to that the showing that was closest to game day experience that he's had he didn't perform and you're still shouting his name to the roof tops. It literally makes no logical sense.

Please feel free to explain.
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No reason to back him?
I back him for the same reason I back every other player on the team, they are Vols.
There are so many people here that are all caught up in backing one QB or the other for the sake of having to be right on a damned message board. That is what's truly pathetic. Read through a handful of these threads and it's really easy to pick these guys out. The good of the team comes secondary to their need to say I told you so. It really makes this fanbase look stupid.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
No reason to back him?
I back him for the same reason I back every other player on the team, they are Vols.
There are so many people here that are all caught up in backing one QB or the other for the sake of having to be right on a damned message board. That is what's truly pathetic. Read through a handful of these threads and it's really easy to pick these guys out. The good of the team comes secondary to their need to say I told you so. It really makes this fanbase look stupid.
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Its possible to like all our qb's? :salute:

Good post Doyle.
 
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k-town_king said:
I have never seen so many posts and new threads making excuses for a player before. This is pitiful.
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Making excuses? :crazy: No one said Ferg had a better day. It's more like stating facts. Dobbs played against 2's ALL DAY. He never went against the first team D. I'm going to stick to what I've heard and seen from reports saying that Ferg is #2 and that was proven when he actually played against the starting defense.
 
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k-town_king said:
The second team ate Ferg's lunch. The coaches have said the competition has been very close up to this point. Dobbs and Worley stepped ahead Saturday.
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This. Both Ferguson's turnovers came against the second team d. If they are flat out horrible then why does everyone keep overlooking that? Worley is the man to beat imo.
 
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coug said:
Nobody wants to "write him off for good" but people have no real reason to be backing a QB that they've only seen high school film on. To add to that the showing that was closest to game day experience that he's had he didn't perform and you're still shouting his name to the roof tops. It literally makes no logical sense.

Please feel free to explain.
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Nobody arguing here is shouting his name from the rooftop. He's one of 4 QBs vying for the job. We saw the other 3 struggle to varying degrees last year, with the primary complaint from most VN posters being arm strength and accuracy.

Time and again, when credible sources discuss/describe Ferguson they mention his armstrength and "arm talent" as being the best among the 4.....then we see it reported by many credible sources that the coaches have Ferguson splitting team 1 reps with Worley last week and some of us simply cut and paste that information on here.... and some of the guys on here go nuts, start into the "he ain't never done a damn thing in college so why are ya'll anointing him the starter?"... when nobody is.

Hell, one guy has gone as far as to say that EVERY SINGLE reporter, beat writer, former player, radio personality that has witnessed this and/or claimed to get this information straight from the coaches' mouths are just liars and are trying to pump ratings or something. Guys like this are the ones with the agenda. All I and other guys like POA have done is cut and paste information from websites and twitter sites regarding the QB competition. That's all.

Nobody yet knows if Ferguson can play a lick. He may never play a down at UT. But by all accounts he's a really talented kid. People are gonna be curious to see him, but nobody is calling for him to be the starter. It's just been "the coaches seem to really like him, let's see if he can play".

But the dislike of him (someone implied yesterday that the isn't smart and is just another Brannon Stewart) is ridiculous. I really like Dobbs. But if Worley, or GOD forbid Ferguson is named the starter, I'm gonna pull like hell for that guy. I wonder if some posters on here even would. Let's just let it play out.
 
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ProfessorD said:
This. Both Ferguson's turnovers came against the second team d. If they are flat out horrible then why does everyone keep overlooking that? Worley is the man to beat imo.
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Turnovers this Spring has been Ferguson's Achilles heel. It's also been Dobbs', with the difference between the 2 being that Ferguson has evidently been more consistent with his good play and accuracy. Clearly, Dobbs was outstanding on Saturday and I was very glad to see it. I'm a big fan of the kid.

No ones overlooking Ferguson's turnovers. After that one performance a lot on here have seemed to cool on him...I both wonder if and kinda doubt that the coaches have.

Tyler Bray was awful his last O&W game. 5 of 32 passing iirc. As difficult as it is to do, we would probably all do well to not put a ton of stock into what we saw on Saturday.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
There are so many arguments going on right now about the QB battle.

But there is something that no one is taking into account.

The fact that Dobbs never once faced the 1st string defense. Yes he had a good day and I do not want to take anything away from him, because I like Dobbs a lot.

But the coaches were putting Riley against the 1st string Defense. And would not let Dobbs go against them.

So obviously the coaches have Riley ahead of Dobbs at this time.

It is pretty easy to ball out when you have the First string Offense going against the Second String Defense. Josh Malone vs "insert random walk ons name" and of course he will be wide open..

Worley is the only QB that went 1st String vs 1st String and made anything happen.

Worley will be the starter, and barring any injuries I suspect he will keep it throughout the year.

as for Riley vs Dobbs.. like I pointed out the coaches obviously think Riley is above Dobbs, Or they would have put Dobbs against the 1's at some point to see what he did with it.


Did not know Cam Sutton, D'Andre Payne, Ryhaid Jones were random walk-ons. Malone burned them all, didn't matter who was in. Same for Dobbs. A "Baller" doesn't care who is in front of them they just play.
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