What people around here are Ignoring in the QB debate

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post any lie that i have posted. i'll wait....

Gladly and with pleasure....

" his weaknesses are understanding the system, the entire system. his reads are off, pass protections calls are off, and he takes too many risks. that's why butch clearly said that his type of qb play is not what is appropriate at the university of Tennessee"

I asked you earlier when exactly Butch ever said any of this, particularly the "that's why Butch clearly said that his type of QB play is not what is appropriate at the University of Tennessee".
 
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Certainly didn't intend to "jumpon you" for suggesting it. I simply gave the opinion that Riley earned the right to take team 1 reps with Worley since all 4 had been taking equal reps earlier in the Spring.

Butch said it had been a pure, open competition all Spring and to say that he just randomly gave Ferguson first team reps seemed to imply that he didn't deserve them when most, if not all the reports I read and heard was that Riley had been playing really well outside of the occasional interception and earned his reps.

Apologies if my response came across otherwise. Enjoy debating with you and most of the posters on here. We all want the best for the program. Only poster I have issue with is the guy from Lexington, Ky who's posted bold faced lies on here regarding Butch's take on Riley. That I can't stand.

You weren't the only one to respond to that particular comment so the "jumped on" was generally used. No apologies necessary. I still have an open mind about the theory. Truth be told neither you nor I really know what's going through Butch's head with regard to Ferguson, maybe he did really earn the reps and maybe Butch is really letting him do it for his lack of experience. If it's the latter it's no fault of Ferguson's since he was limited because of his injury for a good while.

I agree with another poster that with our schedule we'll need 2 or possibly 3 QB's. The defense is where the story will be told, if we have a winning season for a change or at least play .500 ball and get to a bowl game, Butch should get credit for a job well done.

You make two very good points. I still hold out the possibility that Butch plays two QB's this season, alternating when necessary. I'm worried about the defense. Aside from starting quite a few freshman all around I think our biggest questions will be on the defensive side.
 
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Worley then any of the other 3. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news and a buzzkill or killjoy. Just is what it is.
 
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Pretty tired of the very LAME excuse the Fergutoids are producing about Dobbs not facing our 1st team defense in the O&W game. He has worn a UT uniform and faced Bammers 1st defense, that is good enough for me. Young Ferguson has yet to take an SEC snap much less in front of a hostile away SEC crowd or SEC defense. I'll support whoever Butch chooses to put on the field, including Ferguson, but quit building the kid up to be something he's not. He has not won the job outright, which means he has not outshone his competition that much, he may be good but he ain't all that. Hopefully someday with enough experience he will be.
 
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Well I'm not privy to attending practice and the Coaches meetings like the rest of Volnation. But I was at the O&W game, and anyone who wants Ferguson as there started based on his performance should be a UTC fan. Dobbs and Worley were head and shoulders above Ferguson. Peterman looked better than Ferguson.

Again, I'm sure all you guys are at practice and breaking down film with the coaches, but just on what I saw. It's a two man competition.
 
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Pretty tired of the very LAME excuse the Fergutoids are producing about Dobbs not facing our 1st team defense in the O&W game. He has worn a UT uniform and faced Bammers 1st defense, that is good enough for me. Young Ferguson has yet to take an SEC snap much less in front of a hostile away SEC crowd or SEC defense. I'll support whoever Butch chooses to put on the field, including Ferguson, but quit building the kid up to be something he's not. He has not won the job outright, which means he has not outshone his competition that much, he may be good but he ain't all that. Hopefully someday with enough experience he will be.

uh....oh! now ur gonna get the "troll" label too. you have spoken pure commonsense that anyone with half a brain can figure out about fergy, but still there are a few who still cannot comprehend this. yet, they call folk like us idiots....smmfh
 
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Volnation is like a circular firing squad lately!:rolleyes:

Unfortunately that's not a new thing. Hell, you can see the circular firing squad in any QB thread and an odd manifestation of the Fergy vs. Dobbs debate in the compromise choice of Worley by multiple posters from either camp. Not because Worley has done anything special to earn the start, though he has vastly improved and is now as good as anyone, but because he's become a compromise candidate by virtue of that war between rival factions. Those who've grown to despise Fergy or Dobbs solely due to the posters that support one or other (and both sides have those who are pure turnoffs) would rather Worley get it than the other guy.

And honestly, Worley deserves better than that. While I personally still think Dobbs is the logical choice given his upside, potential, improvement, and the fact Worley's out of time (we need to think about next year), Worley is not only neck and neck with Dobbs but also brings a steady hand and leadership to the table and has improved greatly - the margin between them is slim at the moment although I give Dobbs a slight edge in talent and performance as well as a bigger edge when it comes to arm strength but Worley's no slouch in terms of his arm. Worley's also been through hell and back and been under appreciated not just this year but last year too. His improvement this spring has also been ignored and/or written off beyond a perfunctory note - most folks call still refer to him by the terms 'steady' and/or 'serviceable' same as last year when the truth is he's improved tons. These are all solid arguments for starting Worley.

However, for MANY posters who have dug in so completely on Fergy or Dobbs (and I mean well beyond leaning one way or another), we'd hear a different tune were they forced to take a lie-detector or subject to perjury laws, I believe many would own up to the fact that they say "I'd be fine with Worley" more because it burns them up to think of the other guy starting. IOW, they say it not because Worley has improved (though he has) but because he's a compromise between the two.

That said, right now, Dobbs looks slightly better to me than Worley and has potential to surpass him and while I'd support any UT QB I think the arguments for Worley over Dobbs just aren't that strong without invoking the appeal to playing seniors over underclassmen.

*IF* it's close I think Dobbs makes sense. *IF* Worley finally separates to a noticeable degree he deserves it.

***Note: Unlike many I not only defended Worley but stated my case regarding who to play if it's close back when Worley was still wildly unpopular and folks refused to acknowledge the impact of WR/TE on all our QBs in 2013. Very few were in this boat, fwiw, but I do know some who were and applaud them. Others so bashed Worley and Dobbs I have difficulty believing they'd be 'ok' if Worley started and feel it's about appearances and compromise. For those who support Dobbs or Fergy and don't give Worley much credence except in order to appear objective just stop - nothing wrong with supporting your pick, just be prepared to explain why online and for heaven's sake own it (it's also ok to change your minf when/if performance changes). Pride gets in the way of far too much, imo and if we had less of it we might be more apt to truly rally behind the starter instead of taking so many jabs that people really do hope whoever fails just so they can be right.

All that is the nature of the beast made far, far, worse by message boards. Also even tho people often repeat it the QB race really can change at any time and we'd be well served to keep an open mind.
 
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Well I'm not privy to attending practice and the Coaches meetings like the rest of Volnation. But I was at the O&W game, and anyone who wants Ferguson as there started based on his performance should be a UTC fan. Dobbs and Worley were head and shoulders above Ferguson. Peterman looked better than Ferguson.

Again, I'm sure all you guys are at practice and breaking down film with the coaches, but just on what I saw. It's a two man competition.

Hey! What's wrong with UTC? :angry:
 

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