What was this Principal thinking????

#51
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Orangekush423 said:
Yeh, you clearly missed what I was getting @. NM. There was a "supposed" attack on poverty and drugs in the 70's-80's. It was sold as "throwing money @ the problem" by naysayers. The real problem was that the money wasn't even thrown @ it. Yet the public was too tapped into things like the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Cold war to worry about whether or not their perception of the failed fix was even accurate. I'm not making excuses for anyone, simply calling a spade a spade. There are things that could be done to help move people out of poverty, instead of keeping them trapped.
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and what pray tell do you think the money could have been spent on to "help move people out of poverty?" strangly before all these programs and easy welfare, every generation of black people was narrowing the gap between the whites when it came to income and education. after the civil rights movement it's gone exactly in the other direction.
 
#52
#52
Orangekush423 said:
Our system of "helping" people is flawed from the foundation up. Look and compare "subsidized segment" numbers from other countries that have used better methods to help create an avenue to get off their dime. (See Holland, France iir)
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you aren't seriously arguing that france has a smaller segmant of the population on the gov't dime than the US are you?
 
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#53
And by the way, those on here that know Nissy, know how much I love sashaying all around up and over that line. My suggestion for you newbies is to let your collective male parts drop before you try to play with me. :devilsmoke:
 
#54
#54
Volnissniss said:
And by the way, those on here that know Nissy, know how much I love sashaying all around up and over that line. My suggestion for you newbies is to let your collective male parts drop before you try to play with me. :devilsmoke:
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Sexual harassment!
 
#58
#58
Volnissniss said:
I think when the black president was elected, this positive "you can do anything you wanna do even if you're black" was realized. I'm so sick of it. Blacks are way more racist than whites are and most blacks I work with are very happy to confirm this. They are lucky to even be in this country. Good God, If blacks were half as grateful as Mexican people... Which is worse Africa or Mexico? Mexicans see their jacked up country and want better for themselves and families swimmin across shark infested waters and sneaking under fences. Blacks today have NO idea what it is like to live in a f'in hut and have flies, diamond and drug murderers and AIDS everywhere. I say "You're Welcome."
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There may be more racism among blacks, but this attitude you have is messed up. "You're Welcome?" What did you do?
 
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tvolsfan said:
There may be more racism among blacks, but this attitude you have is messed up. "You're Welcome?" What did you do?
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most black people ancestors probably predate most white people's ancestors as to when they first came to this country.
 
#62
#62
Volnissniss said:
And by the way, those on here that know Nissy, know how much I love sashaying all around up and over that line. My suggestion for you newbies is to let your collective male parts drop before you try to play with me. :devilsmoke:
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I think Im done "playing" for now. Thanks for clearing up what you said. Now Im certain in my judgment. Have a great weekend.
 
#63
#63
Volnissniss said:
I'm just saying everyone who is born into this country and/or brought to this country even if it was under horrible circumstances should be grateful. Ever hear that some pretty wonderful things can come out of adversity? I just feel like as world wide issues go, slavery was an acceptable way of living and Eastern countries and Europe were way worse than America ever was. Do I excuse the abuse, hell no. Do I like it when every single black person I meet treats me like sh*t b/c I'm a white girl and they assume I'm racist, ummm, ya, it's pretty f'in exhausting. It happened, it sucked, let's move on. I think saying "Yes, I hate that what some (NOT ALL) of the black ancestors went through was horrible, but thank you for my life b/c if I weren't here, I'd be in the ground, have AIDS or be starving. Love, Oprah or Obama or Shaq or whoever else black person you wanna put in there." I think the good things AND the bad things that happen to a person make up their life and it's what they chose to do after all that is what matters. I'm not sorry we had slaves, I'm just not. But I do hate the abuse and violence, that part is horrible but how long do white people have to pay for it? Good God, my family wasn't even down here in the south until '75... Wish I had a card to play... suffrage just doesn't seem as popular.
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Wow... I hate the idea that SOME blacks seem to have that they're oppressed by white people, and I hate the guilty feelings in people that result in affirmative action garbage. I also understand that they may be better off now than being here than in certain places in Africa. But you realize saying "you're welcome" makes it sound like you're taking credit for their situation, right? I hope you know that sounds crazy. What did you do? And who do you thank for living in America?
 
#64
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droski said:
and what pray tell do you think the money could have been spent on to "help move people out of poverty?" strangly before all these programs and easy welfare, every generation of black people was narrowing the gap between the whites when it came to income and education. after the civil rights movement it's gone exactly in the other direction.
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Agreed. Entitlement garbage is bad for everyone, and especially the future of the country.
 
#65
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tvolsfan said:
There may be more racism among blacks, but this attitude you have is messed up. "You're Welcome?" What did you do?
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My attitude is nothing short of sick of it friend! And the "You're Welcome" is b/c my family is from the NORTH and this country is better than Africa... you ever hear of the north and south war? geez. So ya, I have family member that died so a slave could go free and the thanks I get is being accused of racism b/c blacks don't see how fortunate they are to have been brought to this country? Not to mention the crap you're dishin... save it pal.
 
#67
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droski said:
you aren't seriously arguing that france has a smaller segmant of the population on the gov't dime than the US are you?
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I'm arguing that their(as an example off the top of my head) process by which to move people above the poverty line is more effective. Their system has seen more success WHEN GAGING X person got x.oo in "help". Their system sees person X complete the process and move above the poverty line. We move people OUT of poverty @ snail-like speed. I also think that the stigma associated leads people to believe that many applicants are "taking advantage of the system" or are "frauds". You all would be surprised by the amount of legite apps that are DENIED. Saying you want to help people, and helping people are two diferent things. A study was conducted that took a number of blacks from the "ghetto" and taught them money-management and job skills among other things. The study placed them into a middle class environment, and set them up with what would be considered an average playing field. (For the purpose of science. I do not condone, in principal, the relocation of said blacks) The subjects THRIVED. If you want insight on the creation of the ghettos. Look @ the Baby boomers move from the city to the suburbs and the manuipulation of city zoning. All the way down to realtors claiming " Better sell now, theres a colored family moving in" then turning around and selling the black fam on "the dream". All is not what it seems.


PJ- Yeh good call, not sure what I was thinking. It was early.Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
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#68
#68
Volnissniss said:
My attitude is nothing short of sick of it friend! And the "You're Welcome" is b/c my family is from the NORTH and this country is better than Africa... you ever hear of the north and south war? geez. So ya, I have family member that died so a slave could go free and the thanks I get is being accused of racism b/c blacks don't see how fortunate they are to have been brought to this country? Not to mention the crap you're dishin... save it pal.
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Study the civil war. (Outside of a 5th grade history book)
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#69
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tvolsfan said:
Wow... I hate the idea that SOME blacks seem to have that they're oppressed by white people, and I hate the guilty feelings in people that result in affirmative action garbage. I also understand that they may be better off now than being here than in certain places in Africa. But you realize saying "you're welcome" makes it sound like you're taking credit for their situation, right? I hope you know that sounds crazy. What did you do? And who do you thank for living in America?
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I'll go ahead and say exactly... I didn't do a damn thing so why do I get so much racist crap from blacks? And I thank God I live in America as should every American no matter what color. What is your problem? Geez!
 
#70
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Orangekush423 said:
Study the civil war. (Outside of a 5th grade history book)
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Plz go on with your thoughts. Seriously. I can tell you that my own family didn't see this kind of black and white crap until they moved to the south and that is just the truth so wtf are you talking about?
 
#71
#71
Volnissniss said:
Plz go on with your thoughts. Seriously. I can tell you that my own family didn't see this kind of black and white crap until they moved to the south and that is just the truth so wtf are you talking about?
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I was rolling with your claim that your "family died so a slave could be free" Please. Lincoln agreed to allow the southern states to keep their slaves. (FYI) Come stronger than that sweetie! =)
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#72
#72
Orangekush423 said:
I'm arguing that their(as an example off the top of my head) process by which to move people above the poverty line is more effective. Their system has seen more success WHEN GAGING X person got x.oo in "help". Their system sees person X complete the process and move above the poverty line. We move people OUT of poverty @ snail-like speed. I also think that the stigma associated leads people to believe that many applicants are "taking advantage of the system" or are "frauds". You all would be surprised by the amount of legite apps that are DENIED. Saying you want to help people, and helping people are two diferent things. A study was conducted that took a number of blacks from the "ghetto" and taught them money-management and job skills among other things. The study placed them into a middle class environment, and set them up with what would be considered an average playing field. (For the purpose of science. I do not condone, in principal, the relocation of said blacks) The subjects THRIVED. If you want insight on the creation of the ghettos. Look @ the Baby boomers move from the city to the suburbs and the manuipulation of city zoning. All the way down to realtors claiming " Better sell now, theres a colored family moving in" then turning around and selling the black fam on "the dream". All is not what it seems.


PJ- Yeh good call, not sure what I was thinking. It was early.Posted via VolNation Mobile
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Anyone with a mind to succeed would thrive if they were GIVEN the means to do so. If you have the mind to do so and take the chance to leave "the ghetto" many would thrive with no assistance, some would surely fail and have to try again. My point is we all can't expect to be given everything. Entitlement is a big part of the plague that is keeping many, not only from black communities, from succeeding.

I am sure an unscrupulous realtor has uttered something as stupid as that but let's not act as if this is a common practice. You recited that garbage like it was played over and over again all across the nation and there was some huge organized conspiracy afoot.
 
#73
#73
Orangekush423 said:
I was rolling with your claim that your "family died so a slave could be free" Please. Lincoln agreed to allow the southern states to keep their slaves. (FYI) Come stronger than that sweetie! =)
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Lincoln is the only president my co workers say helped the black man. Well, no it is Lincoln, Clinton and Obama. I think there was one generation of my family from New England, before that was over the pond. I'll come however I please :neener2: Nissy is a little antagonistic at times.
 
#74
#74
KB5252 said:
Anyone with a mind to succeed would thrive if they were GIVEN the means to do so. If you have the mind to do so and take the chance to leave "the ghetto" many would thrive with no assistance, some would surely fail and have to try again. My point is we all can't expect to be given everything. Entitlement is a big part of the plague that is keeping many, not only from black communities, from succeeding.

I am sure an unscrupulous realtor has uttered something as stupid as that but let's not act as if this is a common practice. You recited that garbage like it was played over and over again all across the nation and there was some huge organized conspiracy afoot.
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The strongest examples of people making it out of poverty are the people you described. The stong survive. I get it. My point is what about the social injustice barring the other 80%?? (you descibed the 20% in the law of 80/20) Soc Inj is not made-up. It exists,and is the driving force behind why the %'s are so out of whack. Are we saying that black people have no self motivation or drive by nature?? Or that they simply aren't smart enough?? (I don't think you think this btw) So why the disparity in numbers?? Its simple, the playing field isn't level, it never has been. (Save the whaling industry in NE in the 19th century). If we go by your logic, which is the ones who have the will, and determination to succeed, will (paraphrased) then I raise the question as to why 3/10 white people "struggle" and 7/10 black people struggle in the same manor? After all, "they're equal, right?" You do believe that, don't you? (Numbers made up for sake of arg)
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#75
#75
Orangekush423 said:
The strongest examples of people making it out of poverty are the people you described. The stong survive. I get it. My point is what about the social injustice barring the other 80%?? (you descibed the 20% in the law of 80/20) Soc Inj is not made-up. It exists,and is the driving force behind why the %'s are so out of whack. Are we saying that black people have no self motivation or drive by nature?? Or that they simply aren't smart enough?? (I don't think you think this btw) So why the disparity in numbers?? Its simple, the playing field isn't level, it never has been. (Save the whaling industry in NE in the 19th century). If we go by your logic, which is the ones who have the will, and determination to succeed, will (paraphrased) then I raise the question as to why 3/10 white people "struggle" and 7/10 black people struggle in the same manor? After all, "they're equal, right?" You do believe that, don't you? (Numbers made up for sake of arg)
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don't ever neglect the insidious nature of generational welfare in this argument. It has definitely removed some level of drive / determination. It's not popular to say it, but it has been disastrous in the black community.
 
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