What was this Principal thinking????

#77
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Orangekush423 said:
The strongest examples of people making it out of poverty are the people you described. The stong survive. I get it. My point is what about the social injustice barring the other 80%?? (you descibed the 20% in the law of 80/20) Soc Inj is not made-up. It exists,and is the driving force behind why the %'s are so out of whack. Are we saying that black people have no self motivation or drive by nature?? Or that they simply aren't smart enough?? (I don't think you think this btw) So why the disparity in numbers?? Its simple, the playing field isn't level, it never has been. (Save the whaling industry in NE in the 19th century). If we go by your logic, which is the ones who have the will, and determination to succeed, will (paraphrased) then I raise the question as to why 3/10 white people "struggle" and 7/10 black people struggle in the same manor? After all, "they're equal, right?" You do believe that, don't you? (Numbers made up for sake of arg)
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I do believe there is social injustice but do not buy it as THE biggest factor in the struggles the black communities have endured. Part of it is a large number of them have bought into the entitlement movement and destroyed their incentive to get ahead. Another problem is the failure to make education a priority in their communities. The list could go on and on and social injustice might make the top five on that list.

I would also add that many other ethnic groups as well as non ethnic groups are suffering from these same problems as well. In many ways we see that other groups are falling into the same pitfalls much of the African American communities have. If we are not careful and vigilant entitlement mentality will destroy us and the country, Greece and many other Euro countries are prime examples. We must help our American brothers and sisters (of all races and creeds) break this mentality, we as a country and they as a specific group within that country will never succeed as a whole until the give up on this idea of everyone else owing them.
 
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Should we not help through programs that achieve what your saying. I don't want to hand everything out either. But what we do hand out should work. Not trap and keep them there. The people making the decisions on how to "help" have no intention of seeing the thing through. They sell that they are, and that's what keeps the votes. We can agree that we will always have some sort of handouts. So why not make them worth while, and actually apply some descency behind it. (BtW, ultimately the church and community is suppposed to do this, but, uh....yeh)
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Volnissniss said:
Uh oh, now he's gonna have a hissy fit
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Man, you sure were tuff. Haven't heard a peep in a while, and then this gem. Whew. Issy sissy 'musta forgot hur pwetty-WITty.
Come on back to the actual convo sweetheart, I won't bite. I will say your slaughter of the "cause" for the civil war was no worse than my clam of the Cuban Missile crisis in the 80's! Wake and bake, shish.
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#80
#80
They went through some isht many couldn't imagine. And yes, I agree that the wounds are often self-inflicted. But why not help?
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Orangekush423 said:
Man, you sure were tuff. Haven't heard a peep in a while, and then this gem. Whew. Issy sissy 'musta forgot hur pwetty-WITty.
Come on back to the actual convo sweetheart, I won't bite. I will say your slaughter of the "cause" for the civil war was no worse than my clam of the Cuban Missile crisis in the 80's! Wake and bake, shish.
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Try not to misunderstand the politics forum of a message board as real life. And don't make an enemy out of me either. I'm a work and it's a little busy now, I had fun earlier but now you're just being a jerk.
 
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#82
Oh, I thought I countered your "uh oh he's gonna throw a hissy fit" quite nicely. Considering it you got shut down on your civil war post. Hey, I'm playing nice. You were the one claiming to be one antagonistic little thing. You asked for the 24 oz ribeye but you wasn't hungwy enough. No apologies here.
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Orangekush423 said:
Oh, I thought I countered your "uh oh he's gonna throw a hissy fit" quite nicely. Considering it you got shut down on your civil war post. Hey, I'm playing nice. You were the one claiming to be one antagonistic little thing. You asked for the 24 oz ribeye but you wasn't hungwy enough. No apologies here.
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You are a fool. And there were many reasons for the civil war hunny. Believe me, I'm not concerned with you and your "let's give everything away" BS. You're a loud lib, nothing more :thumbsup:
 
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Volnissniss said:
My attitude is nothing short of sick of it friend! And the "You're Welcome" is b/c my family is from the NORTH and this country is better than Africa... you ever hear of the north and south war? geez. So ya, I have family member that died so a slave could go free and the thanks I get is being accused of racism b/c blacks don't see how fortunate they are to have been brought to this country? Not to mention the crap you're dishin... save it pal.
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Volnissniss said:
I'll go ahead and say exactly... I didn't do a damn thing so why do I get so much racist crap from blacks? And I thank God I live in America as should every American no matter what color. What is your problem? Geez!
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You said, "You're welcome," as if you've done them a favor of some sort. No one owes you for living in this country.
 
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tvolsfan said:
You said, "You're welcome," as if you've done them a favor of some sort. No one owes you for living in this country.
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Not me personally... geez... I just think if black people were honest, they'd say they'd rather be here than Africa and as much as it sucks, they have the white man to thank for it. Just be grateful to live in this country that's all. And if there is any kind of "You owe me" attitude it is from black Americans.
 
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#88
#88
I didn't read the entire thread but I will say this on the subject, I grew up in the beginning of the busing era where somebody decided that neighborhood schools was a bad idea because the "white" kids were getting a better education than the "black" kids. What most don't know or won't admit is that the loudest outcries against forced busing came from the black community because they didn't want to have to be bused to far away neighborhoods every day for school. Not only did busing not raise the level of education for the deprived students, it lowered the level of education for everybody in the public schools. Now we have people like the Ann Arbor idiot that is obviously trying to use the ideals for the busing concept in reverse form to include only a certain group for segregated learning experiences. How ironic.
 
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KB5252 said:
Anyone with a mind to succeed would thrive if they were GIVEN the means to do so. If you have the mind to do so and take the chance to leave "the ghetto" many would thrive with no assistance, some would surely fail and have to try again. My point is we all can't expect to be given everything. Entitlement is a big part of the plague that is keeping many, not only from black communities, from succeeding.

I am sure an unscrupulous realtor has uttered something as stupid as that but let's not act as if this is a common practice. You recited that garbage like it was played over and over again all across the nation and there was some huge organized conspiracy afoot.
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Very well stated. But you must remember he's in his twenties and a pothead. :p
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Very well stated. But you must remember he's in his twenties and a pothead. :p
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That "twenties" pothead also works three jobs, attends classes for his education and raises a wonderful son. Your point? Am I an expert on the subject? No. If you read my posts on the subject and you still think I want everyone to just give everything out, I don't know what to tell you. And if someone thinks there isn't social injustice that need addressing, they are turning a blind eye. ( See the Willie Lynch speech (the principle @ play) )
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Orangekush423 said:
That "twenties" pothead also works three jobs, attends classes for his education and raises a wonderful son. Your point? Am I an expert on the subject? No. If you read my posts on the subject and you still think I want everyone to just give everything out, I don't know what to tell you. And if someone thinks there isn't social injustice that need addressing, they are turning a blind eye. ( See the Willie Lynch speech (the principle @ play) )
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I am genuinely proud of your efforts and your dedication to your son. My veiled point is that you're young and haven't had a chance to see the reality of the underbelly of our society, from what I'm reading of your statements. There are injustices to be found everywhere, to be sure. By the same token there are those that will take advantage of said inequities without thinking twice about it.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
I am genuinely proud of your efforts and your dedication to your son. My veiled point is that you're young and haven't had a chance to see the reality of the underbelly of our society, from what I'm reading of your statements. There are injustices to be found everywhere, to be sure. By the same token there are those that will take advantage of said inequities without thinking twice about it.
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Wouldn't be able to sleep if it were any other way. He's counting on me. I wasn't looking for a pat on the back as much as I wanted to attempt to break free of the stereotypes that might be associated with my age/weed intake. I realize I have MUCH to learn. And that's why I engage myself in such a broad spectrum of topics. I understand life isn't fair, and will never be. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't try. I'm sure plenty of people told MLK that he was an idiot, and he should give it up. (Not comparing myself, or my search for knowledge, to his life btw) Ill be the first to admit I've got lots to figure out. But hey, I'm tryin to figure it out.

"More important than what you reach for, is the simple fact that you ARE reaching."- Scotty P (me)
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And fwiw I left home @ 17 after getting my GED.Traveled the US with a marketing company. I was a finance manager in the auto industy by 20. Made 87K in 2005. Albeit self-education, I've seen a little more than you think.
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Volnissniss said:
That is exactly what I was telling this black guy I work with. I asked him why he was a Dem and he said b/c Republicans don't do anything to help out black folks. I just told him he was soooo totally snowed if he believed that.
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Does he not realize that Abe Lincoln was a republican?
 
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Volnissniss said:
Plz go on with your thoughts. Seriously. I can tell you that my own family didn't see this kind of black and white crap until they moved to the south and that is just the truth so wtf are you talking about?
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That is completely false. If you want to believe stereotypes that's fine. But I've been all around this country and i can tell you from first hand experience that racism is, and has always been, everywhere. It is not something that is held exclusively to the south. Read a history book, it's not just about slavery. Do some IN DEPTH research on the civil rights movement and you'll see that the blacks' struggle stretched all the way from Miami to Boston and everywhere in between.
 
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orangepridenation said:
That is completely false. If you want to believe stereotypes that's fine. But I've been all around this country and i can tell you from first hand experience that racism is, and has always been, everywhere. It is not something that is held exclusively to the south. Read a history book, it's not just about slavery. Do some IN DEPTH research on the civil rights movement and you'll see that the blacks' struggle stretched all the way from Miami to Boston and everywhere in between.
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Didn't you read that her family died so a slave could be freed?
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#99
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There have been some devestating race riots/murders in Boston of all places.
 
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orangepridenation said:
That is completely false. If you want to believe stereotypes that's fine. But I've been all around this country and i can tell you from first hand experience that racism is, and has always been, everywhere. It is not something that is held exclusively to the south. Read a history book, it's not just about slavery. Do some IN DEPTH research on the civil rights movement and you'll see that the blacks' struggle stretched all the way from Miami to Boston and everywhere in between.
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She appears to be speaking to her and her family's experiences. I don't know how you - or a history book for that matter - can say her statement is incorrect. If her family didn't experience much racism until they moved to the south, well then they didn't. That doesn't mean it didn't exist.
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