What's best for the future of UT football: Dooley teams win or... (merged)

[utmba93]

And if that plays out for the rest of the year, we will have a new coach. Your hypothetical, though, is still dumb because it poses a rhetorical question: "Is it better for Dooley to win six games per year and remain the coach..." or "get a new coach?" Gee, Einstein, let me think about that one.

What drives me crazy about you and your brethren is that you are obsessed with seeing this team fail just so you can say "I told you so." If you go back and look at my posts, I have been critical of Dooley since at least the Kentucky game of last year. BUT, I don't want the team to confirm my suspiscions. I hope the team and Dooley succeed because he is the coach of UT.

And, you might want to take your condescending attitude down a notch or two. You never know who you are demeaning. They might just have more education and success than you do with that might MBA.

First, who said I had an MBA (explained this years ago, don't care to go back over that)? And, who said that was my highest degree? Yet, I do apologize for being condescending, despite the condescending nature of your note. For me, it's more my own frustration with the continued acceptance of mediocrity when an intolerance for such was the reason Fulmer was fired in the first place.

Frankly, if you think it takes Einstein to understand why moving on sooner rather than later from a coach who isn't going to win championships could be better for the program in the long run, you are underestimating the difference between your intelligence and his.

 

[utmba93]

any answer that makes me choose UT losing just isn't going to happen

the reality is I want UT football to be successful no matter who is the HC. The reality is that anyone hoping the man loses (and in turn UT loses) so he gets fired is not cheering for the same team I am.

It's not about anyone being for the Vols losing. I said that in the initial post. I hope he wins every game he coaches. I just don't see how anyone could possibly expect anything close to that outcome.

The query is about what gets UT back to championship football is the most expedient manner possible.

Answered this already... three years ago.

 

[Jax_Vol]

A public prayer before the game is best for Tennessee football

 

[ukvols]

He even said, "Go Big Orange," or something similar. It didn't work.

 

[utmba93]

Realistically, we will probably be better off by losing and getting rid of him faster. But that's not going to keep me from rooting for him and I hope I'm wrong.

And, so 'my bretheren and I' continue our support for the program/team/coach and hope that someday a UT AD will fix what was a bad decision from the onset.

GBO! :hi:

 

[ukvols]

You are confusing "bad decision" with "bad timing," as if we had several great options.

 

[Jax_Vol]

He even said, "Go Big Orange," or something similar. It didn't work.

Yeah, I thought for sure that God would be on our side after that....makes you wonder?

 

[Pompey]

To say that there is some doubt about whether CDD can ever win a championship at UT is a gross understatement.

There's also doubt that he can ever win the SEC East.

Instead, many here and in other UT circles, feel the best he can do is win may 10 games in his third year at UT, but never any more than that. In the meantime, many concede that he will help recruiting, but that he can not recruit as well as CLK and company. So, even his recruiting upside is limited versus the trajectory we were on.

Before anyone starts claiming that I don't want to Vols to win, let me clarify in saying that we all want the Vols to win.

Yet, is winning and restoring 'mediocrity' at UT over the next 6 or 7 years better for the Vols program, or would simply seeing Dooley repeat his LA Tech record at UT over the next two years get a proven coach on the Hill faster?

Tennesse's football problems go back further and deeper that Derek Dooley, and are best described this way:

Tennessee want's to be competitive in the SEC.....

Alabama intends to be champion of the SEC.......

Good is not good enough in Alabama....good is good enough in Tennessee........any questions?

 

[utmba93]

Tennesse's football problems go back further and deeper that Derek Dooley, and are best described this way:

Tennessee want's to be competitive in the SEC.....

Alabama intends to be champion of the SEC.......

Good is not good enough in Alabama....good is good enough in Tennessee........any questions?

Actually, as much as I hate your Bammer team, you don't tolerate losers as coaches. I do respect that.

But, Fulmer did own you guys--and I love that even more! :hi:

 

[utmba93]

You are confusing "bad decision" with "bad timing," as if we had several great options.

If by timing and options, you mean the 3-day search... I'd say the bad decision was the 3-day constraint wrt creating options. Thus, still a bad decision.

 

[sanddune50]

It's only hard for people who were told he would fail and still don't realize that HE'S ALREADY FAILED MISERABLY ON THE FIELD. :hi:

Based on who's criteria? And what is their credibility to provide this criteria?

 

[O&W]

He needs to go 8-4 to keep his job. But next year, at the least, he has to go 9-3 with a win over FL and Compete in the 3 losses all 4 quarters

 

[KingNick865]

I gotta admit, I've thought about this scenario. Can you imagine a decade of 7-5, 8-4, 9-3 seasons and Outback Bowl/Peach Bowl berths?

Year 3...and it's worse than even I thought when he was hired.

 

[ukvols]

If by timing and options, you mean the 3-day search... I'd say the bad decision was the 3-day constraint wrt creating options. Thus, still a bad decision.

You do realize that signing day was coming up, right? If you think we would have been better off with Kippy Brown, then fine, but coaches weren't knocking the door down to take over our depleted roster right before signing day, with sanctions possibly coming.

 

[utmba93]

You do realize that signing day was coming up, right? If you think we would have been better off with Kippy Brown, then fine, but coaches weren't knocking the door down to take over our depleted roster right before signing day, with sanctions possibly coming.

Yes, of course, I was aware both... duh. The same folks who argue we needed to hire quickly to save the class are those who criticize that class now.

I was in the group who felt Kippy as an interim was a better solution than hiring CDD. Pretty sure he too could have keep the early enrollees and held the recruiting class together (didn't need CDD for that, so the rush was bogus, but created long term ramifications).

 

[oregonvol]

Bump. I think the OP's question is rather interesting in light of recent events. It's also rather interesting to see all the people who were happy with this hire.