What's the excuse now?

#51
#51
65-58 final.
UT shoots 20-69 overall (29%)
UT shoots 3-24 from behind the arc (12.5%)
UTShoots 17-55 inside the arc (31%)
Forced 16 TO's
Committed 10 TO's

I am not a Martin apologist, but I am a basketball guy. I don't know how many lay ups and WIDE open threes we missed but I know it was a lot. When you hold a team to 65 points in D-1 basketball, then the defensive game plan is solid. Before I comment on the offensive game plan, I would have to re-watch the game and count how many of our 49 misses were wide open or blocked. My point is that while I don't like Martin's style of offense, at some point if we can't score the basketball when we are open, it really doesn'tatter who is on the sidelines. I am now ready to be flamed.
 
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#52
#52
newokie03 said:
65-58 final.
UT shoots 20-69 overall (29%)
UT shoots 3-24 from behind the arc (12.5%)
UTShoots 17-55 inside the arc (31%)
Forced 16 TO's
Committed 10 TO's

I am not a Martin apologist, but I am a basketball guy. I don't know how many lay ups and WIDE open threes we missed but I know it was a lot. When you hold a team to 65 points on D-1 basketball, then the defensive game plan is solid. Before I comment on the offensive game plan, I would have to re-watch the game and count how many of our 49 misses were wide open or blocked. My point is that while I don't like Martin's style of offense, at some point if we can't score the basketball when we are open, it really doesn'tatter who is on the sidelines. I am now ready to be flamed.
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I get your point and see what youre saying but at this point would you not agree that it is something going on mentally with the players? I mean these guys are missing EVERYTHING.

Is that not the coach's job to correct? Should he not be able to inspire some confidence in these guys because as anyone who has played the game before its more mental than it is physical.
 
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#53
#53
I'm so tired of this. If anyone can watch this team and say they are well coached, they are either in denial or have zero knowledge of basketball. I hate being negative, but these are simple truths. Too much talent on this team to be getting worked at home by a team like that.
 
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#55
#55
at least 11 of those 2 pt shots were blocked, which means your spacing sucks so help D is there, and/or you have no offensive skills or moves to prevent it from happening.
 
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#56
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VolStudent5 said:
NC state are playing freshman that are destroying us. We aren't young. We're at home. NC state isn't ranked. What's the excuse? Is maymon hurt? Is the third year not enough time?
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It is definitely not coaching.

Shooters got to make shots... Scorers got to score the ball.... Defense must play defense.

That is CCM's coaching philosophy.

Laughable...
 
#57
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I get your point and see what youre saying but at this point would you not agree that it is something going on mentally with the players? I mean these guys are missing EVERYTHING.

Is that not the coach's job to correct? Should he not be able to inspire some confidence in these guys because as anyone who has played the game before its more mental than it is physical.
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No argument with what you are saying. I agree that it is more mental than physical. My point is that we were in position to score the basketball tonight and didn't. At some point the players and not the coach have to be responsible for the results.
 
#58
#58
just waiting for that DA Memphis fan to come on here and tell me page after page that offense isn't our problem because we have a top 20 offense in "efficiency". Statboys like that need to follow another sport because they don't know wtf they are watching on the court. Next time, when I tell you an offense sucks, pay attention and don't argue about it.
 
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#60
#60
But there is a point (see Dooley's final year) that the players just don't want to play for the coach. Does anyone really think that the players wanted to play for Dooley in the last year of his tenure? I mean really? There comes a point where they just mail it in... Has ths bball team gotten there yet - I don't know - But one thing is becoming clearer - CCM isnt a good coach...
 
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newokie03 said:
65-58 final.
UT shoots 20-69 overall (29%)
UT shoots 3-24 from behind the arc (12.5%)
UTShoots 17-55 inside the arc (31%)
Forced 16 TO's
Committed 10 TO's

I am not a Martin apologist, but I am a basketball guy. I don't know how many lay ups and WIDE open threes we missed but I know it was a lot. When you hold a team to 65 points in D-1 basketball, then the defensive game plan is solid. Before I comment on the offensive game plan, I would have to re-watch the game and count how many of our 49 misses were wide open or blocked. My point is that while I don't like Martin's style of offense, at some point if we can't score the basketball when we are open, it really doesn'tatter who is on the sidelines. I am now ready to be flamed.
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I understand what you are saying, but the team plays with no passion. It seems like people on this board care more than CCM.
 
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#64
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newokie03 said:
65-58 final.
UT shoots 20-69 overall (29%)
UT shoots 3-24 from behind the arc (12.5%)
UTShoots 17-55 inside the arc (31%)
Forced 16 TO's
Committed 10 TO's

I am not a Martin apologist, but I am a basketball guy. I don't know how many lay ups and WIDE open threes we missed but I know it was a lot. When you hold a team to 65 points in D-1 basketball, then the defensive game plan is solid. Before I comment on the offensive game plan, I would have to re-watch the game and count how many of our 49 misses were wide open or blocked. My point is that while I don't like Martin's style of offense, at some point if we can't score the basketball when we are open, it really doesn'tatter who is on the sidelines. I am now ready to be flamed.
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Excuse me, but the last time I checked the head coach is responsible for the talent that is brought into the program. Therefore, if we are losing because we can't shoot, then that is the coaches fault, and he must be replaced!!!
 
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#65
#65
There is no excuse for this Martin is paid big bucks to produce you dont produce your fired. We would be at our jobs.
 
#66
#66
Just Like Dooley and Jones until he's gone he's our coach . One thing Volnation has learned me ....it's ok to suck in year zero-3 in year 5 we will be on top again.
 
#67
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87Vol said:
Excuse me, but the last time I checked the head coach is responsible for the talent that is brought into the program. Therefore, if we are losing because we can't shoot, then that is the coaches fault, and he must be replaced!!!
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The talent is there, of that I have no doubt. If you read my post, I am not defending Martin. My point is this, tonight we were in position to score the basketball numerous times and we didn't. We missed numerous layups and WIDE open three's. No matter who is on the sidelines, if players don't make shots you can't win. I understand the desire to blame the coach, but it is up to the players to take responsibility for putting in the extra hours to make the wide open shots and layups.
 
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#69
#69
newokie03 said:
The talent is there, of that I have no doubt. If you read my post, I am not defending Martin. My point is this, tonight we were in position to score the basketball numerous times and we didn't. We missed numerous layups and WIDE open three's. No matter who is on the sidelines, if players don't make shots you can't win. I understand the desire to blame the coach, but it is up to the players to take responsibility for putting in the extra hours to make the wide open shots and layups.
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When shooting and offense are a frequent recurring problem season after season as they have been under this pitiful joke of a coach, then the problems lie with the both a lack of offensive talent, and lack of the coach's ability to put together and teach effective offensive game plans.

With all due respect, anybody that doesn't think tonight's performance was about far more than just a poor shooting night, just isn't very smart when it comes to basketball.
 
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#71
Howie54 said:
I have defended CCM for 2 years saying we needed to wait till year 3. However, I am now done! There is no excuse for four first year players to come in your house and out play 4 returning starters plus Barton? We have talent, so I have to deduct that its coaching?

Thoughts?
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I agree. It's over. He's lost what little of the fanbase he had left.
 
#73
#73
There were some awkwardly quiet moments in TBA tonight. There's a lot of season left, but I'm not going to be able to reserve my judgement of CCM any longer. We look like a team of pick-up players that have maybe played a few times in the past. There's no direction...no method. Kiss Cam was the best part of the game tonight
 
#74
#74
VolGee4 said:
especially for the amount that we want to pay.
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If we want the AD to spend money on a B ball coach we are going to have to send Hart a message. Idk how we do that but the message has to say "hey we are ****ing tired of this BS take out the big check and give it to someone who deserves it". The Butch Jones hire gives me no hope though and it's not cause I think Butch sucks it's cause Hart got lucky with hiring Butch
 
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