When exactly does UT play Tim Tebow's Team.

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lawgator1 said:
Well that's a convenient analysis. Talk about what Florida did well last year and say they won't do it as well this year, then conclude that therefore they won't be more productive. Leave out all the areas of improvement, including the bigger better threat for a running QB, true option plays built around that, improved receivers corps, more experienced offensive line. Yeah, if you leave all of that out, then I guess we are doomed.

Also, breaking in a new QB? The guy scored two TDs in the national championship game and ran 5-10 plays a game for the Gators. He's not exactly a newbie.
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I think a portion of Tebows success was he came in with fresh legs every play. He does scare me none the less.:yes:
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well that's a convenient analysis. Talk about what Florida did well last year and say they won't do it as well this year, then conclude that therefore they won't be more productive. Leave out all the areas of improvement, including the bigger better threat for a running QB, true option plays built around that, improved receivers corps, more experienced offensive line. Yeah, if you leave all of that out, then I guess we are doomed.

Also, breaking in a new QB? The guy scored two TDs in the national championship game and ran 5-10 plays a game for the Gators. He's not exactly a newbie.
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Name the last time anyone in the SEC had great success running the option. Also, if you think Florida's offense will get the kind of help this year that they received from their defense last season, you're past the point of rescue.
 
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I agree with hat - leadership on the field is overrated. Leadership from coaches is the only leadership the players truly need.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Name the last time anyone in the SEC had great success running the option. Also, if you think Florida's offense will get the kind of help this year that they received from their defense last season, you're past the point of rescue.
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Again, the logic is weak. You posit that its been a long time since anyone ran the option well in the SEC. Agreed. That proves nothing in regards to the '07 Gators:

1) Florida is not running a traditional option offense where the QB and a running back plus a receiver run along the line and the QB reads the defense, deciding whether to pitch or keep. Florida will run that some, but that's not the usual line-up. This is a spread 'em out offense where the goal is to get a 4.2 receiver isolated on a 4.7 linebacker and then figure out a way to get him the ball. We ain't Air Force.

2) Even if it were so that the option has not been used much, that does not mean that Florida cannot run it well.

3) Meyer has had success with it everywhere he has been before.

4) Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Interesting stats and thanks for the link. Hmmmm ... let's see here. 22 of 33, that's a 66 % completion rating for a true Freshman with one interception against five touchdowns. He also ran 89 times for a net 469 yards, or 5.2 yards a carry. In the SEC.
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After Chris Leak played 75% of the game. Yes he's really battle-tested

Tebow had 33 pass attempts. He had 89 carries. Do you see how out of whack that is? If his pass to carry ratio is 1 to 2 he will not last a full season.
 
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justingroves said:
After Chris Leak played 75% of the game. Yes he's really battle-tested

Tebow had 33 pass attempts. He had 89 carries. Do you see how out of whack that is? If his pass to carry ratio is 1 to 2 he will not last a full season.
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Its out of whack for a traditional pocket passing QB. Its not out of whack for Tebow.
 
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lawgator1 honestly thinks it's likely for Florida to average 49ppg next season. He clearly can't be reasoned with.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Again, the logic is weak. You posit that its been a long time since anyone ran the option well in the SEC. Agreed. That proves nothing in regards to the '07 Gators:

1) Florida is not running a traditional option offense where the QB and a running back plus a receiver run along the line and the QB reads the defense, deciding whether to pitch or keep. Florida will run that some, but that's not the usual line-up. This is a spread 'em out offense where the goal is to get a 4.2 receiver isolated on a 4.7 linebacker and then figure out a way to get him the ball. We ain't Air Force.

2) Even if were so that the option has not been used much, that does not mean that Florida cannot run it well.

3) Meyer has had success with it everywhere he has been before.

4) Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
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1. The reason nobody in the SEC runs an option is that nobody wants to expose their quarterback. Talk all you want about matchups, etc., yout quarterback is going to get hit a whole lot.
2. Nobody is going to run the option well in the SEC. Our conference is the closest thing to NFL speed on defense in the college game. There's a reason you don't see the option game in the NFL. Speed destroys it. The same principle will apply in the SEC.
3. He's been in the SEC for two years and his offenses have been completely average. Lots of guys over the years have had teams put up huge numbers in the MAC and the Mountain West. Name the last one that went to a major conference and continued to do so.
4. Instead of descending into a trading of Latin phrases, which will bore the board to tears, I'll leave you with one of my favorite quotes, "Fortunate indeed, is the man who takes exactly the right measure of himself." By engaging in this fantasy that Florida is going to be some sort of offensive juggernaut, you have failed to take proper measure.
 
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Has Urban made the player who pulled a gun on a guy set out of a weight-lifting session yet or will that get doled out in the player's Senior season?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Again, the logic is weak. You posit that its been a long time since anyone ran the option well in the SEC. Agreed. That proves nothing in regards to the '07 Gators:

1) Florida is not running a traditional option offense where the QB and a running back plus a receiver run along the line and the QB reads the defense, deciding whether to pitch or keep. Florida will run that some, but that's not the usual line-up. This is a spread 'em out offense where the goal is to get a 4.2 receiver isolated on a 4.7 linebacker and then figure out a way to get him the ball. We ain't Air Force.

2) Even if it were so that the option has not been used much, that does not mean that Florida cannot run it well.

3) Meyer has had success with it everywhere he has been before.

4) Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
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For all the talk, Meyer has been in the league for two years now and he hasn't run the option yet, and for the last fifteen it has not successful (it has been extinct). Furthermore, Tebow is not an option quaterback.

Therefore, if he runs the option next year it will be nothing more than an experiment. UT, UGA, LSU and Auburn are not teams to experiment on.

Florida's offense was average to poor in big games last year. Next year will be no different.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its out of whack for a traditional pocket passing QB. Its not out of whack for Tebow.
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:lolabove: I never thought you were a delusional fan. SEC defenses will knock him out when getting the chance to hit him on every play. Speed kills the option. The SEC has more defensive speed than any conference in the nation. Tebow will not last a full season carrying the ball 15 times a game
 
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lawgator1 said:
Interesting stats and thanks for the link. Hmmmm ... let's see here. 22 of 33, that's a 66 % completion rating for a true Freshman with one interception against five touchdowns. He also ran 89 times for a net 469 yards, or 5.2 yards a carry. In the SEC.
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5/11 76 yards and 2 TDs in SEC play.

16/21 against UCF and Western Carolina.
 
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hatvol96 said:
4. Instead of descending into a trading of Latin phrases, which will bore the board to tears, I'll leave you with one of my favorite quotes, "Fortunate indeed, is the man who takes exactly the right measure of himself." By engaging in this fantasy that Florida is going to be some sort of offensive juggernaut, you have failed to take proper measure.
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Personally, I thought my 'cut crystal glasses' line was much less wordy, and more to the point.

Still.... nicely said.
 
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