When is Warlick going to GET IT?

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Vandy guards attacked the basket yesterday and scored at will. Our guards never do that they jack up a three. Holly is not gonna get it so to answer this posters question never.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Vandy guards attacked the basket yesterday and scored at will. Our guards never do that they jack up a three. Holly is not gonna get it so to answer this posters question never.
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I remember Jasmine driving at least 2 or 3 times in the second half and scoring. I remember Simmons doing it at least twice and passing off at least once to an open teammate under the basket.
 
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once simmons was wrongly(imho)called for a charge, once passed to Harrison who missed a wide open easy as hell layup.
 
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would love to sit next to Lady Vol fan, Margo, at a Vol game. She's a trip!
 
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gule said:
LADY VOLS LOSE TO VANDY 63-74 - YouTube
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I like her!! "If you ain't hitting your jumper...DO SOMETHING ELSE!!" Agree!! We have to learn to adjust during the game if something ain't working. I really just would love to see each and every young lady on the team to take some time to look within and see what they can do to better themselves and the team. The coaches as well! Improvement needs to happen all around without excuses. We hail we have 3 incredibly talented post players so when one goes down (i.e. Izzy fouling out) we shouldn't fall apart like we did. I agree with Margo...we've lost the respect we once had and it would serve the team well if they could somehow be reminded of that and what it takes to get that respect back!

Side note: I'm hoping Graves is ok...a couple of things she tweeted after the game makes me think her frustration level is boiling over. Something about her just hasn't seemed right the past few games. I know she was hurt, but I don't think that is all of it. Perhaps she thinks the coaching staff has forgot about her with Izzy doing so well the past few games? Not sure. I think Graves can be one of our best players so we need to get her back on track!
 
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clkou said:
I remember Jasmine driving at least 2 or 3 times in the second half and scoring. I remember Simmons doing it at least twice and passing off at least once to an open teammate under the basket.
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It certainly wasn't enough. Do you remember them putting up 17 three point shots some of them without one pass and making three. That adds up to 14 lost possessions and also an 0.53 points for all seventeen possessions. Vandy is a lot smaller than us if we can't take advantage of them inside then we have failed as a team that is all.
 
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ChattyVolfan said:
I like her!! "If you ain't hitting your jumper...DO SOMETHING ELSE!!" Agree!! We have to learn to adjust during the game if something ain't working. I really just would love to see each and every young lady on the team to take some time to look within and see what they can do to better themselves and the team. The coaches as well! Improvement needs to happen all around without excuses. We hail we have 3 incredibly talented post players so when one goes down (i.e. Izzy fouling out) we shouldn't fall apart like we did. I agree with Margo...we've lost the respect we once had and it would serve the team well if they could somehow be reminded of that and what it takes to get that respect back!

Side note: I'm hoping Graves is ok...a couple of things she tweeted after the game makes me think her frustration level is boiling over. Something about her just hasn't seemed right the past few games. I know she was hurt, but I don't think that is all of it. Perhaps she thinks the coaching staff has forgot about her with Izzy doing so well the past few games? Not sure. I think Graves can be one of our best players so we need to get her back on track!
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Something DOES seem off with Graves--but what is the reason? Your instinct that Graves may be upset with Harrison getting the ball a lot, or something related to that, strikes me as a possibility, too. But Graves doesn't have much of an offensive game, and Izzy does. If Graves does have offensive game, we need to see it. I think of her as a rebounder--and she should be crashing the boards more than she has recently. She should also be working on her shooting and all-around offensive game--no question about that.

I agree that UT needs more leadership. Simmons isn't a leader (not good enough). Massengale SHOULD be the team's leader--I think Holly has said that--but she doesn't seem to have the personality for it. She's got the game to be a leader--but she MUST become tougher and more vocal on the court.
 
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Actually Izzy and Graves should both be getting the ball over 15 times a game. They should average 30 shots per game between the two of them. The determination would be who is guarding them and if there is a double team. Graves is an excellent 10 to 15 foot shooter and hasn't done any of that this year. Our biggest problem is that one player has taken 198 shots while Izzy has taken 136 and Graves 117. That person has a 1.16 points per shot attempt average while Izzy has a 1.61 and Graves has a 1.45. The person I refer to took 21 shots yesterday got us 19 points 0.90 points per shot. Izzy fouled out and only took 8 shots which netted 10 points for 1.25. Graves was still in the game but only got 3 shots in 28 minutes you have to wonder about that since she has such a great scoring rate per shot. Scored 4 points on those 3 shots. So in effect Izzy and Graves got 14 points on 11 shots yesterday that is really bad offensive strategy by the team and the coaches. We'll start winning a lot of games when they get the ball at least 25 to 30 times a game.
 
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armchair said:
Something DOES seem off with Graves--but what is the reason? Your instinct that Graves may be upset with Harrison getting the ball a lot, or something related to that, strikes me as a possibility, too. But Graves doesn't have much of an offensive game, and Izzy does. If Graves does have offensive game, we need to see it. I think of her as a rebounder--and she should be crashing the boards more than she has recently. She should also be working on her shooting and all-around offensive game--no question about that.

I agree that UT needs more leadership. Simmons isn't a leader (not good enough). Massengale SHOULD be the team's leader--I think Holly has said that--but she doesn't seem to have the personality for it. She's got the game to be a leader--but she MUST become tougher and more vocal on the court.
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The biggest problem is that she is not getting the ball enough she made 2 of 3 shots last night 3 of 5 in the game before that. She made 5 out of 8 shots with that kind of average you wonder what the coaches of this team are thinking. She need 10 to 15 shots so does Izzy Ariel would probably get them that many but once the pass goes to Simmons a shot goes up.
 
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I think Graves does have an offensive game. She averaged double figures her freshman year and so far this year. In some early games (albeit "lesser" teams) she was the dominant one both in rebounding and scoring. She's lost that the last few games. But her only getting 3 shots isn't all her fault. The coaches have to call her number more (the same goes for Russell) and then, of course, the guards/wings have to be able to throw a dang pass in the post. Maybe she's going thru her sophomore slump but it definitely feels like it's more than that.
 
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I have lost confidence in the coaching at UT. It just hasn't been good for a long time. It was very noticeable starting a decade ago--mainly the weak team offense, mediocre passing, sloppy offense, poor assist-to-turnover ratio, which then got compounded by mediocre recruiting. Holly has improved the recruiting--we've got some good players--but I'm not sure the coaching has improved. 20 turnovers--again--the other night. PROTECT the Freakin' basketball. You can't beat solid teams when you are giving away 20 possessions. Holly is feeling the pressure, I think--she seems exasperated with the players, which isn't good. She is responsible, ultimately, for how the team plays. Good, well-coached teams find ways to win. When we play another good team, we find ways to lose. Bad sign. I'm not giving up on this team--playing at Vandy is always tough with that absurd arena of theirs--and I think this team still has the potential to be a contender. I like to see Massengale show some fire on the court--show more leadership. She has taken a big step forward with her game; now she needs to take yet another step with her leadership.
 
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armchair said:
I have lost confidence in the coaching at UT. It just hasn't been good for a long time. It was very noticeable starting a decade ago--mainly the weak team offense, mediocre passing, sloppy offense, poor assist-to-turnover ratio, which then got compounded by mediocre recruiting. Holly has improved the recruiting--we've got some good players--but I'm not sure the coaching has improved. 20 turnovers--again--the other night. PROTECT the Freakin' basketball. You can't beat solid teams when you are giving away 20 possessions. Holly is feeling the pressure, I think--she seems exasperated with the players, which isn't good. She is responsible, ultimately, for how the team plays. Good, well-coached teams find ways to win. When we play another good team, we find ways to lose. Bad sign. I'm not giving up on this team--playing at Vandy is always tough with that absurd arena of theirs--and I think this team still has the potential to be a contender. I like to see Massengale show some fire on the court--show more leadership. She has taken a big step forward with her game; now she needs to take yet another step with her leadership.
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I think Massengale has to become the vocal player on the court forget about friends jump players for bad turnovers and bad shots. Make them accountable right there on the court get them focused. I know we've had those players in the past really need her to be one now. This is not a popularity contest this is playing winning team basketball and we have some wink links not doing the job.
Second Graves tweeted yesterday wish she could say what she needed to say. Say it Bashaara you should tell it to the team. You worked your tail off at Vandy and ended up with three shots made two of those. I wish players wouldn't be so shy we need to get this situation with Tennessee players corrected immediately.
 
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Have any of you considered that Graves tweets may not have had anything to do with basketball. Just sayin', don't jump to conclusions.
 
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Unless you are actually at all the games, in the locker room, at the practices, in the meetings with recruits, and so on, it's just far too early for anyone on the outside to know how well or poorly Holly is doing. Here are the facts: Holly's coached one full season where she had one less loss than Pat's last year. Holly won the SEC regular season title in her first year and was named SEC coach of the year. Holly took them to the elite 8 - the farthest we've been since our last national championship. Of the 3 times we've been to the elite 8 since our national championship, the CLOSEST game on the scoreboard was the one Holly coached.

This season is not over. They could win both the SEC regular season and tournament. The could also lose both. They could make it to the final 4 or farther. They could make it to the elite 8 or worse. We don't know. This season they've been ranked as good as #3 as low as #12. We've been 10-0 and we're currently 3-3 in our last 6 games.

You can't predict the future. While Holly MAY be an awful coach, she MAY also be a great coach. Like I said, you just don't have enough evidence from the outside looking in to know. Nothing has happened last season or this season that hasn't happened to Pat or any other coach in my opinion.

So, let me again be clear, the jury is out on Holly. I think most college coaches should be given 4 to 5 years to be allowed to prove themselves because they need time to work with the players they were given, put in the system they believe in, AND get their own players on campus. There CAN be circumstances where you can get rid of someone sooner if red flags pop up, but more than likely you'd need to be an athletic director or someone on campus to actually see such things. We just don't have enough information from the outside to know one way or the other. LSU beating us at home or Vandy beating us on the road or Simmons having an off shooting night are things that happen ALL THE TIME in sports.
 
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clkou said:
Unless you are actually at all the games, in the locker room, at the practices, in the meetings with recruits, and so on, it's just far too early for anyone on the outside to know how well or poorly Holly is doing. Here are the facts: Holly's coached one full season where she had one less loss than Pat's last year. Holly won the SEC regular season title in her first year and was named SEC coach of the year. Holly took them to the elite 8 - the farthest we've been since our last national championship. Of the 3 times we've been to the elite 8 since our national championship, the CLOSEST game on the scoreboard was the one Holly coached.

This season is not over. They could win both the SEC regular season and tournament. The could also lose both. They could make it to the final 4 or farther. They could make it to the elite 8 or worse. We don't know. This season they've been ranked as good as #3 as low as #12. We've been 10-0 and we're currently 3-3 in our last 6 games.

You can't predict the future. While Holly MAY be an awful coach, she MAY also be a great coach. Like I said, you just don't have enough evidence from the outside looking in to know. Nothing has happened last season or this season that hasn't happened to Pat or any other coach in my opinion.

So, let me again be clear, the jury is out on Holly. I think most college coaches should be given 4 to 5 years to be allowed to prove themselves because they need time to work with the players they were given, put in the system they believe in, AND get their own players on campus. There CAN be circumstances where you can get rid of someone sooner if red flags pop up, but more than likely you'd need to be an athletic director or someone on campus to actually see such things. We just don't have enough information from the outside to know one way or the other. LSU beating us at home or Vandy beating us on the road or Simmons having an off shooting night are things that happen ALL THE TIME in sports.
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Let me see if I understand your analysis: Holly is either a great coach or a terrible coach. The team will either do well this year or do terribly this year. I think you are going to be right. :good!:
 
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I did say that but the larger point you're missing is that for someone on the outside looking in like us to be able to determine the answer to those questions, we're going to need a lot more time and results.
 
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Based on the player stats you would have to rate Holly a bad coach. She is not making the team work the ball to the players that need to be shooting the most shots per game. She is allowing players that turn the ball over to play to many minutes. A coach has to know this and she doesn't seem to have a clue.
 
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clkou said:
I remember Jasmine driving at least 2 or 3 times in the second half and scoring. I remember Simmons doing it at least twice and passing off at least once to an open teammate under the basket.
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it was nice to see Jones have a good offensive outing,she did get the POG for the Lady Vols,which she deserved in my opinion, i hope this game gives her the confidence to take more shots and make them
 
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I have to say when you hear Warlick talk she seems to get it she really talks a good game. Get the ball inside stop penetration then the team does none of that in the games. I wonder why she can't relate what she is saying to the basketball court. If she ever gets that done Tennessee will take off and win a lot of games.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I have to say when you hear Warlick talk she seems to get it she really talks a good game. Get the ball inside stop penetration then the team does none of that in the games. I wonder why she can't relate what she is saying to the basketball court. If she ever gets that done Tennessee will take off and win a lot of games.
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Knowing something and teaching it are two different things. Can't just say get the ball inside, stop penetration, etc. They have to be taught how to do that in minute detail as a team. It's not as easy as it seems. Very few coaches can do it.
 
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My observation is that the team does not have a go-to player who is not a post. I remember a game where Kara took charge at the end of a game behind by 1 and failed to score, but we left with the recognition that that was the correct player to have making the decision.

Again as I put words on a page I wonder how I would translate the coaches belief that her players are more focus and dedicated to defense on the dribble drive when playing against the male practice team - into a game situation. Is it the lack of refs in a game situation, is it that they are males? We've heard Holly speak to that issue and the belief that the players don't respond well to the game plan as been given to them. I can remember that issue being raised over the last decade many times.

no answers from me and not even good questions - just a fan having difficulty watching talented players not produce the results that so many of us were expecting.
 
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