When will we stop hanging on star ratings???

#101
#101
maxxx said:
Every year I say this and every year Volnation downplays it. When will most of Volnation wake up and stop rating the success of a class on star ratings? A string of top ten classes got us to 0-8 on the field. Meanwhile, Wisconsin continues to be a top ten team with classes rated in the 40's-50's. It's about getting kids that fit into the coaches system and kids who can develop. 90% of a freshman class should be redshirted, IMO. I want to see kids that understand the game, know their assignments, and are physically ready for big boy football.
I think people should study a program that can turn two high school quarterbacks into all conference, NFL ready LB and OT respectively.

I don't give a damn were our class ranks, I want be able to see those kids in two years helping the team compete for titles.
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That was CBJ fault for not knowing what to do with them. Not the class rating. I'll take a roster full of 4 and 5 stars any day and twice on Saturday. Watch UGA tear it up the next 4 years.:hi:
 
#102
#102
maxxx said:
Honestly, teams from the Midwest get dropped in the ranking many times because the players are rated too low based on geography. That's a fact. I've coached and seen far too many kids get 2-3 star ratings and it's pretty clear that if they lived in the south they would be 3-4 stars.
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That's absolutely not a fact, lol. It's a completely subjective opinion.
 
#103
#103
maxxx said:
Every year I say this and every year Volnation downplays it. When will most of Volnation wake up and stop rating the success of a class on star ratings? A string of top ten classes got us to 0-8 on the field. Meanwhile, Wisconsin continues to be a top ten team with classes rated in the 40's-50's. It's about getting kids that fit into the coaches system and kids who can develop. 90% of a freshman class should be redshirted, IMO. I want to see kids that understand the game, know their assignments, and are physically ready for big boy football.
I think people should study a program that can turn two high school quarterbacks into all conference, NFL ready LB and OT respectively.

I don't give a damn were our class ranks, I want be able to see those kids in two years helping the team compete for titles.
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Rankings matter, so hopefully never. There's a reason VolNation downplays the "stars don't matter" take every year. Maybe take the hint.
 
#104
#104
NFL Draft: Do Recruiting Rankings Matter?

Therefore, if you are rated as five-star, you have roughly a 13.3% chance to get drafted in the first round (4/30). But if you are a two-star prospect, you have a 0.2% chance of being drafted in the first round (4/1,800).

A pretty massive difference.

If you are a four-star prospect, you have a 4.3% chance of being drafted in the first round (13/300), and as a three-star recruit, you have a 1.3% chance of going in the first round (10/800). It's safe to say, that the higher-ranked prospects have a dramatically better chance of landing in the first round.
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#106
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maxxx said:
What's funny is how people keep pretending as if recruiting is all or nothing. Never once did I say that you don't recruit the higher rated players. The point I'm making is that stars don't define the players or the teams success.
I just saw a thread mentioning the need for a LB. In a perfect world we would luv to see a 5 star stud fill that slot. The reality should be that an LB that fits the teams vision should suffice no matter the stars. If we want a 250 lbs thumper at LB, then signing a 240 lbs kid that plays downhill and fits the mold should be viewed as a positive. Too many times people here would view that as a bad signing, when that kid is most likely going to be a starter because he fits the mold for what we want. That's why Florida and UT suck right now. Loaded with talent that did not fit the mold.
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The most successful coaches are able to adapt their scheme to their talent, not the other way around. If our talent has been failing because they didn't fit the "mold," it's because we hired crappy coaches who were unable to adjust that mold to maximize their players' talent. Georgia Tech is full of players that fit its mold, and that mold doesn't win a damn thing. Same with any Air Raid team.
 
#109
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NashVol11 said:
Absolutely. Like clockwork, anytime our class isn't highly ranked, someone will start a thread like this.
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7 4*s and 6 3*s on early signing day by a man who has been a hc for a month is okay with me. Actually turned out way better than i expected
 
#110
#110
Even 4 and 5 stars have to be developed to reach their potential. Having a higher ceiling doesn't mean you always reach it. The Vol roster is loaded witj kids not playing to their recruiting star rating. That should give us all hope in the near term
 
#112
#112
I just canÂ’t believe that this level of dumb keeps popping up. Next thing you know, people will be saying how they trust the evaluations of the coaches over the know-nothings at rivals. As if we are selecting from an unlimited pool of players. Absurd. My 6 year old nephew can out think some of yÂ’all. Lol
 
#113
#113
November Blue said:
I just canÂ’t believe that this level of dumb keeps popping up. Next thing you know, people will be saying how they trust the evaluations of the coaches over the know-nothings at rivals. As if we are selecting from an unlimited pool of players. Absurd. My 6 year old nephew can out think some of yÂ’all. Lol
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Is that the same nephew who is into binary mathematics, who beat several Russians in a recent chess tournament? The same nephew who helped decode a recent archeological relic and helped the federal government into linking the North Koreans to a recent malware hack?

I donÂ’t trust he knows the first thing about Crootin.
 
#114
#114
a vol n tears said:
The star ratings are based on how ready a player is to contribute to a college program. A 5* player should be able to immediately contribute and possibly start. A 4* should contribute and a 3* probably needs a couple of years to fully develop. The advantage to having more 4 & 5* is the immediate depth they provide. As mentioned above, that is vitally important in the SEC. If a team can keep a consistent roster of equal Fr, So, Jr, & Srs and avoid the injury bug, they can compete with anyone. An example is Missouri's first couple of years in the SEC and winning the EAST. They had dominating DE's for 2 or 3 yrs because they could allow the younger players to mature. Missouri's recruiting was no where close to the rest of the East during those years, but they had mostly upperclassmen starting. As long as all goes smooth this works, but it is much harder to avoid injuries, suspensions, transfers, etc. I'm not saying top classes are not important but if given time very good teams can be built on 3 & 4* teams. As examples already mentioned Wissconsin, Boise, Iowa, Northwestern, Stanford, Washington, Oklahoma, TCU, etc
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None of those teams have to face Georgia and Alabama every year. If we want to compete with them we have to be able to recruit like them.
 
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#115
#115
maxxx said:
When will we stop hanging on star ratings???
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When they stop being an extremely strong indicator of collegiate success.

Coaching and development are certainly important, but is a lot easier when you are starting off with a more talented roster.
 
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#119
#119
maxxx said:
Every year I say this and every year Volnation downplays it. When will most of Volnation wake up and stop rating the success of a class on star ratings? A string of top ten classes got us to 0-8 on the field. Meanwhile, Wisconsin continues to be a top ten team with classes rated in the 40's-50's. It's about getting kids that fit into the coaches system and kids who can develop. 90% of a freshman class should be redshirted, IMO. I want to see kids that understand the game, know their assignments, and are physically ready for big boy football.
I think people should study a program that can turn two high school quarterbacks into all conference, NFL ready LB and OT respectively.

I don't give a damn were our class ranks, I want be able to see those kids in two years helping the team compete for titles.
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Wisconsin wouldn't be in the top 10 if they had to play in the SEC. I wish I could just write off star ratings, but that is plain ignorant. The same people who claim to not care about star ratings would sing a different tune if we were reeling in top 5 classes every year...Its pathetic.

At least while I don't want to admit star ratings matter, they do. Maybe not all players live up to their ratings, but you won't ever reel in big fish consistently if you aren't attracting the stars..
 
#120
#120
LSU-SIU said:
Clemson probably is more the exception, but they are basically average mid-teens with really only 1 top 10 class in the last 6.

2017 #16
2016 #11
2015 #9
2014 #16
2013 #15
2012 #20

Matter of fact, Tennesse has arguable done better.
2017 #17
2016 #14
2015 #4
2014 #7
2013 #25
2012 #19

I think you have to be averaging top 15, being out of the SEC makes it easier... meaning you don't need the depth.
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The only reason Clemson ratings aren't as high is because they tend to sign a lower amount of players, which hurts them in overall ranking sites.
 
#121
#121
The best measure is whether they have some dog in them.. Football is a violent game.. not really for nice guys.. Jones wanted choir boys playing in the SEC.. does not work
 
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