Where do you stand on Healthcare?

How do you feel about the healthcare currently provided in the US?

  • It’s perfect the way it is. No changes necessary.

  • I like our system but it needs some tweaking.

  • I like the idea of our system but it has gotten much too expensive and needs major reform.

  • I think the format for providing healthcare is flawed and it needs rebuilt from the ground up.

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NorthDallas40 said:
Hey @USMC-TNVOL we never finished our discussion. Could you explain how a $2T fee reduction to medical providers justifies a 77% increase in federal tax receipts? TIA!
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Where are you getting a 77% increase from?

Glad you’re so concerned about government spending now though. We somehow don’t have the money to do this but how much was blown on the war in Iraq? Close to $2 trillion? Military spending per year is nearing $1 trillion.

Almost 18% of our GDP is in healthcare spending, twice as much as most others. A third of that is spent on admin costs. Yet, somehow national insurance is the issue and would be too costly.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Where are you getting a 77% increase from?

Glad you’re so concerned about government spending now though. We somehow don’t have the money to do this but how much was blown on the war in Iraq? Close to $2 trillion? Military spending per year is nearing $1 trillion.

Almost 18% of our GDP is in healthcare spending, twice as much as most others. A third of that is spent on admin costs. Yet, somehow national insurance is the issue and would be too costly.
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I gave you the calculation based on 2019 receipts and 2019 Medicare costs and the program cost estimates. I literally outlined the math in the quote that I tagged you with.

The rest of your deflection is irrelevant unless you’re saying cut all other spending. Is that what you’re advocating don’t spend the $3.5T we currently spend?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I gave you the calculation based on 2019 receipts and 2019 Medicare costs and the program cost estimates. I literally outlined the math in the quote that I tagged you with.

The rest of your deflection is irrelevant unless you’re saying cut all other spending. Is that what you’re advocating don’t spend the $3.5T we currently spend?
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Oh so now you’re an expert on calculations for potential government programs and I’m supposed to trust those.

It’s not deflection because the Republican base never bitches about the cost of wars but chooses to when it’s programs that would help people.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Where are you getting a 77% increase from?

Glad you’re so concerned about government spending now though. We somehow don’t have the money to do this but how much was blown on the war in Iraq? Close to $2 trillion? Military spending per year is nearing $1 trillion.

Almost 18% of our GDP is in healthcare spending, twice as much as most others. A third of that is spent on admin costs. Yet, somehow national insurance is the issue and would be too costly.
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Let's reduce our expenditures to 9% of GDP and ask the european union to pay the difference? How about we ask the europeans to make up half of what we pay for drugs?
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Oh so now you’re an expert on calculations for potential government programs and I’m supposed to trust those.

It’s not deflection because the Republican base never bitches about the cost of wars but chooses to when it’s programs that would help people.
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No I’m not an expert but I can do basic algebra. Ok I’ve got your answer you’re completely ignorant on fiscal issues. Thanks for playing.
 
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VolStrom said:
Let's reduce our expenditures to 9% of GDP and ask the european union to pay the difference? How about we ask the europeans to make up half of what we pay for drugs?
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It is literally 10-15% of US GDP to fund this lunacy. How stupid is that.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No I’m not an expert but I can do basic algebra. Ok I’ve got your answer you’re completely ignorant on fiscal issues. Thanks for playing.
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Your basic Algebra doesn’t add up if your math is 3.3 trillion for Medicare for all. $3.6 trillion was the cost of our current system in 2018.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
How stupid are you when current GDP is close to 18%? If Medicare for all is 10-15%, that reduces our total GDP spending by 3% at a minimum which would boost our economy spending in other areas.
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Chezzits fookin rice!

You continually ignore the incoming funds required to pay for this fiasco and keep focusing on spending spending spending! Typical idiot fiscally irresponsible liberal.

If Bernie were to save that vaulted $2T you claim it can there are still three non partisan estimates that agree to within $500B on what it would cost to fund this fiasco. That cost is equally to nearly all current federal tax receipts. We are not going to pass legislation which would nearly double federal tax receipts and it’s asinine to even propose such stupidity. I’m not interested in any more “but if we save this much” dumbassery we cannot afford this ridiculous proposal!
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Your basic Algebra doesn’t add up if your math is 3.3 trillion for Medicare for all. $3.6 trillion was the cost of our current system in 2018.
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Wrong. Total federal tax receipts were $3.5T in 2019 and Medicare expenditures were the $640B number I listed. The $3.5T includes income taxes and federal payroll taxes for Medicare, Social Security, etc... individuals bear about 85% of the brunt of that $3.5T revenue. And $3.5T revenue is a little over 15% of our GDP which is around $20T.

We cannot afford it. It’s DOA

Where Federal Revenue Comes from, How It’s Spent | St. Louis Fed

Budget Basics: Medicare

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If our country wasn’t full of people content living off Doritos, Mtn Dew and Marlboro Reds things would be a lot cheaper. If that’s your lifestyle you deserve to suffer and I shouldn’t have to pay for it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Chezzits fookin rice!

You continually ignore the incoming funds required to pay for this fiasco and keep focusing on spending spending spending! Typical idiot fiscally irresponsible liberal.

If Bernie were to save that vaulted $2T you claim it can there are still three non partisan estimates that agree to within $500B on what it would cost to fund this fiasco. That cost is equally to nearly all current federal tax receipts. We are not going to pass legislation which would nearly double federal tax receipts and it’s asinine to even propose such stupidity. I’m not interested in any more “but if we save this much” dumbassery we cannot afford this ridiculous proposal!
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You said it will cost 3-8% less of our GDP then say we can’t fund it. Some great mental gymnastics there to come up with that. Obviously taxes will increase but people won’t have copays or deductibles if it’s the full plan. But hey keep using your made up math to fit your narrative.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
You said it will cost 3-8% less of our GDP then say we can’t fund it. Some great mental gymnastics there to come up with that. Obviously taxes will increase but people won’t have copays or deductibles if it’s the full plan. But hey keep using your made up math to fit your narrative.
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I’ve clearly outlined the projected costs and it clearly says you’re full of ****.

We can’t afford it
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Wrong. Total federal tax receipts were $3.5T in 2019 and Medicare expenditures were the $640B number I listed. The $3.5T includes income taxes and federal payroll taxes for Medicare, Social Security, etc... individuals bear about 85% of the brunt of that $3.5T revenue. And $3.5T revenue is a little over 15% of our GDP which is around $20T.

We cannot afford it. It’s DOA

Where Federal Revenue Comes from, How It’s Spent | St. Louis Fed

Budget Basics: Medicare

  • Medicare is the second largest program in the federal budget. In 2019, it cost $644 billion — representing 14 percent of total federal spending.1View attachment 328629
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$3.6 trillion was healthcare spending in 2018, so again, if the program would cost $3.3 trillion, what is the issue if it provides full coverage including vision/dental.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
$3.6 trillion was healthcare spending in 2018, so again, if the program would cost $3.3 trillion, what is the issue if it provides full coverage including vision/dental.
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Once again you’re stupidly just looking at spending and ignoring costs. You are not going to add $3.6T to federal tax receipts in this country thereby DOUBLING the current level of taxation. It will never pass.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I’ve clearly outlined the projected costs and it clearly says you’re full of ****.

We can’t afford it
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So you proved yourself wrong based on the GDP % you said and I’m full of ****. 😂 Keep crunching your numbers until it fits your narrative though.
 
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#324
USMC-TNVOL said:
So you proved yourself wrong based on the GDP % you said and I’m full of ****. 😂 Keep crunching your numbers until it fits your narrative though.
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Nope. Your “math” is 🐄 💩 and my cost estimates hold up. You want to basically double current federal tax receipts. Never going to happen. 🤡
 
#325
#325
NorthDallas40 said:
Once again you’re stupidly just looking at spending and ignoring costs. You are not going to add $3.6T to federal tax receipts in this country. It will never pass.
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$3.6 trillion + is our current costs through everyone. You’re ignoring that.

Of course it will never pass if the legislators in power are bought off by the corporations it will hurt.
 
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