White Pride; Negative Connotation

[joeydupree]

Do you have an opinion on the matter?

No. Kinda confused and not very clear on what "The Matter" is...

 

[volinbham]

To be honest, I don't think about being white. I understand (or think I do) black pride in the US though given the historic situation and what has been overcome.

Put another way, I'm okay with white pride and black pride being viewed differently and look forward to the day they won't be.

 

[Nerd-Vol]

No. Kinda confused and not very clear on what "The Matter" is...

"The Matter," is referring to the questions I asked in the original post.

 

[Nerd-Vol]

Nerd I have often wondered the same thing. Part of it, I think, is hypersensitivity on the part of a lot of minorities. Plus in this PC culture we live in racism is in every action.
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Glad I am not the only one who ponders these sort of things. I thought I was just a weirdo!

 

[Nerd-Vol]

I think tre is hinting at it, Nerd. I perceive that folks would jump to a white power image when faced with the term white pride. KKK and Nazi visions for white supremacy. Therefore, white people shy away from "racial" pride.

Great points. Who do you think is to blame for the connotation though? The white supremacy groups or other groups?

Sorry if you already answered this in your post.

 

[volinbham]

Now I know why you are a Lewis Hamilton fan

 

[Nerd-Vol]

To be honest, I don't think about being white. I understand (or think I do) black pride in the US though given the historic situation and what has been overcome.

Put another way, I'm okay with white pride and black pride being viewed differently and look forward to the day they won't be.

Thank you for your post.

I do find it odd how often I sort of think of myself being black. I am not sure if that is a bad thing or not.

 

[volinbham]

Great points. Who do you think is to blame for the connotation though? The white supremacy groups or other groups?

Sorry if you already answered this in your post.

Having seen PC in action I would say people that are concerned that others will be offended combined with a small group of the "offended" minority are responsible for it.

I'm amazed that making a racially insensitive comment is a near firing offense in so many situations. It defies logic.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

If Billy Costigan were black, this is the first thread he would create...

I'm just saying.

 

[YorkVol]

Here is an article by a feminist author that gives a compelling argument. Her position is that certain privileges based solely on certain groups we belong to (in her view, Whites and Males) are ingrained in the culture to the point that we aren't aware of them and may even deny they exist. Then when we are faced with conditions where certain groups are clearly not privileged we may feel guilty about the reality of the situation. In other words, we enjoy unearned privileges until we realize they are truly unearned.

I don't agree completely but I do find the discussion on unearned power to give me things to think about. Additionally, she provides a list of questions that I find compelling. My point to my kids (2 Asian, 1 White, 3 Black) is they should all be able to answer the questions to the positive and that we should work together to make sure they can.

Take a look and let me know what you think.

 

[volinbham]

Thank you for your post.

I do find it odd how often I sort of think of myself being black. I am not sure if that is a bad thing or not.

It is what it is. I'm sure I'd be the same way if black or other minority.

What's nuts is in the university I work at I am cognizant that I'm a white male - it's almost as if I'm racist/sexist by my mere existence.

Crazy world.

 

[Nerd-Vol]

Now I know why you are a Lewis Hamilton fan

Lulz! I am not going to even try and act like it isn't what drew me to him back in his Formula 3.

Besides that, the man can flat out drive.


Oddly enough I do feel awkward at times admitting that his race is what drew me to him in the first place. It seems so sort of misplaced and old-fashioned in this day and age.

 

[volinbham]

Lulz! I am not going to even try and act like it isn't what drew me to him back in his Formula 3.

Besides that, the man can flat out drive.


Oddly enough I do feel awkward at times admitting that his race is what drew me to him in the first place. It seems so sort of misplaces and old-fashioned in this day and age.

No different than Vols becoming Colts fans when Peyton went to Indy or cheering for Trevor Bayne because he's from Knoxville IMO.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

Great points. Who do you think is to blame for the connotation though? The white supremacy groups or other groups?

Sorry if you already answered this in your post.

I believe that those groups have taken those terms and made them the mainstream connotation.

In addition, the general white "race" has been a majority and held/holds positions of power and, therefore, does not typically use racial pride to advance their goals. In fact, the supremacy groups use it as a defense to losing what they already have. Hope that doesn't come across negative....hard to write it out clearly.

 

[volinbham]

Nerd - you old enough to remember Willy T Ribbs?

 

[NEO]

We are not allowed to be proud. That is the point.

 

[Nerd-Vol]

Here is an article by a feminist author that gives a compelling argument. Her position is that certain privileges based solely on certain groups we belong to (in her view, Whites and Males) are ingrained in the culture to the point that we aren't aware of them and may even deny they exist. Then when we are faced with conditions where certain groups are clearly not privileged we may feel guilty about the reality of the situation. In other words, we enjoy unearned privileges until we realize they are truly unearned.

I don't agree completely but I do find the discussion on unearned power to give me things to think about. Additionally, she provides a list of questions that I find compelling. My point to my kids (2 Asian, 1 White, 3 Black) is they should all be able to answer the questions to the positive and that we should work together to make sure they can.

Take a look and let me know what you think.

Thanks for the article. I have downloaded it and will read it soon and get back to you.

The theory sounds interesting and I look forward to reading up on it.

 

[Nerd-Vol]

It is what it is. I'm sure I'd be the same way if black or other minority.

What's nuts is in the university I work at I am cognizant that I'm a white male - it's almost as if I'm racist/sexist by my mere existence.

Crazy world.

Crazy world indeed.

I think PC is important because it is important to be as un-offensive in a work setting as possible, but it is amazing how much we have to monitor ourselves!

 

[volinbham]

Here is an article by a feminist author that gives a compelling argument. Her position is that certain privileges based solely on certain groups we belong to (in her view, Whites and Males) are ingrained in the culture to the point that we aren't aware of them and may even deny they exist. Then when we are faced with conditions where certain groups are clearly not privileged we may feel guilty about the reality of the situation. In other words, we enjoy unearned privileges until we realize they are truly unearned.

I don't agree completely but I do find the discussion on unearned power to give me things to think about. Additionally, she provides a list of questions that I find compelling. My point to my kids (2 Asian, 1 White, 3 Black) is they should all be able to answer the questions to the positive and that we should work together to make sure they can.

Take a look and let me know what you think.

Maybe some truth in there but believe the premise is way overblown. Many of the items on the list are social class related more than race/gender related. Others are simply the result of majorities and minorities - I don't see that being the in majority is the same as privilege.

Finally, I don't doubt guilt exists but guilt is like many other feelings - some people have it and some don't.

The whole idea of institutionalized racism/sexism is a stretch IMO and used more as a tool to effect change in favor of the "victim" more so than a true sociological phenomenon.

 

[Nerd-Vol]

Nerd - you old enough to remember Willy T Ribbs?

Yes, to a degree, he was a bit before my time.

He has ruffled some feathers on and off the track.

 

[volinbham]

Crazy world indeed.

I think PC is important because it is important to be as un-offensive in a work setting as possible, but it is amazing how much we have to monitor ourselves!

Here's where we part a bit. I don't think PC is that important. Clearly we don't want abusive work environments but in order to prevent that we've swung too far in the other direction to ensure no one is ever offended.

For some reason, saying something offensive has become a major transgression worthy of termination in some cases. Yet in other forums people say incredibly offensive things and it's considered entertainment.

 

[RespectTradition]

If you take race into account at all, then you are racist.

If you hate someone for their color, you are racist.

If you like someone for their color, you are a racist.

If you take pride in an accident of birth then you justify the people who dislike you for that same accident of birth.

Be brave, be a person, an individual. Take pride in what you do. Take pride in what you are responsible for. Those things you have no control over are not things to take pride in or be ashamed of, to love because of or to hate for. They just are.

Applying different standards to people of different races is wrong. If racial pride is ok/wrong, then it is ok/wrong for everyone. Telling some black kid that he isn't smart enough to get a good score on the ACT so we will let him slide into college is racist. Telling some girl that she isn't smart enough to earn her way into engineering school so we will let her slide is sexist. Hiring someone who looks like you is racist. Refusing to promote someone because of her plumbing is sexist.

 

[Spartacavolus]

To be honest, I don't think about being white. I understand (or think I do) black pride in the US though given the historic situation and what has been overcome.

Put another way, I'm okay with white pride and black pride being viewed differently and look forward to the day they won't be.

Good points. I don't care about white pride and am not bothered by black pride. I don't really care that each would be viewed differently. It is what it is.

I just don't like when racism is brought up at times when it shouldn't, and I don't like people that hold other people back. I think there are issues within some black communities that hold back there own people from being successful. It happens in all races of course, but I saw a lot of it working with kids in Memphis for a few years. Saw some good kids that had more people bringing them down than lifting them up.

 

[volinbham]

If you take race into account at all, then you are racist.

If you hate someone for their color, you are racist.

If you like someone for their color, you are a racist.

If you take pride in an accident of birth then you justify the people who dislike you for that same accident of birth.

No, Yes, No, No

 

[RespectTradition]

No, Yes, No, No

What is the difference between liking someone for their race or hating someone for their race? If race is the deciding factor, then why isn't that racism?