White Pride; Negative Connotation

[Spartacavolus]

If you take race into account at all, then you are racist.

If you hate someone for their color, you are racist.

If you like someone for their color, you are a racist.

If you take pride in an accident of birth then you justify the people who dislike you for that same accident of birth.

Be brave, be a person, an individual. Take pride in what you do. Take pride in what you are responsible for. Those things you have no control over are not things to take pride in or be ashamed of, to love because of or to hate for. They just are.

Applying different standards to people of different races is wrong. If racial pride is ok/wrong, then it is ok/wrong for everyone. Telling some black kid that he isn't smart enough to get a good score on the ACT so we will let him slide into college is racist. Telling some girl that she isn't smart enough to earn her way into engineering school so we will let her slide is sexist. Hiring someone who looks like you is racist. Refusing to promote someone because of her plumbing is sexist.

Your first point is wrong.

 

[Crew]

I think a lot of the sensitivity came from the idea that black people had to struggle for so long just to be recognized and treated as equals. When black people had nothing, all they had was each other. ...that's where black pride comes from.

People of every race and creed have to deal with the inequity in terms of class. But minorities ( including women) were marginalized for so long that the resulting effect is the overly PC world we live in now.

 

[volinbham]

the opposite of like is not hate. Racism is based in feelings of racial superiority - liking is just liking.

we are watering down the term to apply it to any situation that is not 100% race blind.

 

[RespectTradition]

Your first point is wrong.

why?

 

[volger]

Hi all. I have a question I wanted to pose to you the loyal forum folks.

As a Black American, I take a great sense of pride in who I am and my race. I am proud of what my people have accomplished in a relatively short amount of time. Admitting this would not bat an eye from most people. In fact we track and chart the achievements of minorities in all fields of human accomplishment.

I ask you all why is it different for White Americans? Why does the term "White Pride" have such a negative connotation? Is it deserved? Does it bother you as a White American?

This is me being honestly curious, because I find it weird how when someone says "White Pride," images of cross burnings and swastikas come to mind.

FU nig...j/k. Gots no prob with all skinned brothers. I'm an old white fk and dont have a prob with race. You a dirty white or black boy. if you are trash you are a ****** to me,

 

[Nerd-Vol]

What is the difference between liking someone for their race or hating someone for their race? If race is the deciding factor, then why isn't that racism?

There is a difference because one is very detrimental while one is a potential good thing. Hate can lead to intolerance and violence. Meanwhile liking someone does not stipulate any sort of violent or detrimental feelings towards other people.

I like my favorite race car driver in part because of the color of his skin and I feel in some way I can identify with him. That does not mean that I do not care for drivers who are not a certain race.


Sorry if this is confusing. It is difficult to put this into words.

 

[Volz4lif3]

Good points. I don't care about white pride and am not bothered by black pride. I don't really care that each would be viewed differently. It is what it is.

I just don't like when racism is brought up at times when it shouldn't, and I don't like people that hold other people back. I think there are issues within some black communities that hold back there own people from being successful. It happens in all races of course, but I saw a lot of it working with kids in Memphis for a few years. Saw some good kids that had more people bringing them down than lifting them up.

This is truth especially people bringing them down, I've spent many years in South Memphis near Booker T Washington high school and the projects near them. I've seen the worst so i'm somewhat partial to this theory. I'm a white male born and raised in Memphis. This city irritates me on the black and white issues.

 

[RespectTradition]

the opposite of like is not hate. Racism is based in feelings of racial superiority - liking is just liking.

we are watering down the term to apply it to any situation that is not 100% race blind.

If I like pizza more than I like hamburgers, then I like hamburgers less than I like pizza.

If I like asians more than I like arabs, then I like arabs less than I like asians.

Liking a race less simply because it is a particular race or not a particular race is racism as far as I can tell.

 

[volinbham]

I think Asian women are hot. I like them. Does that make me racist? I don't see how.

 

[Spartacavolus]

why?

Random example, but according to you, if I pull for the only white kid in the gym to play well, I am a racist. However, I've seen all black crowds pull for the same kid and go crazy if he can ball with more positive reaction than plays made by other players. Are they racist too?
If I were to see a black dude from Alabama in the winter ski jumping event, i'd be pulling for him because he is a black dude in a white sport. Do those 2 scenarios mean I am racists against blacks and whites?

 

[RespectTradition]

Random example, but according to you, if I pull for the only white kid in the gym to play well, I am a racist. However, I've seen all black crowds pull for the same kid and go crazy if he can ball with more positive reaction than plays made by other players. Are they racist too?
If I were to see a black dude from Alabama in the winter ski jumping event, i'd be pulling for him because he is a black dude in a white sport. Do those 2 scenarios mean I am racists against blacks and whites?

Try this example:

Bob doesn't dislike black people, he just likes white people more. Whenever he has to hire a new employee, he hires a qualified white guy over a qualified black guy because of this. Is it racism?

 

[Spartacavolus]

This is truth especially people bringing them down, I've spent many years in South Memphis near Booker T Washington high school and the projects near them. I've seen the worst so i'm somewhat partial to this theory. I'm a white male born and raised in Memphis. This city irritates me on the black and white issues.

I've seen kids crying because they wanted to get out but were afraid to go after success because they felt guilty. It's why I didn't last long coaching and teaching there. I let too many parents and coaches know what was up and most didn't like what I had to say.

 

[volinbham]

Try this example:

Bob doesn't dislike black people, he just likes white people more. Whenever he has to hire a new employee, he hires a qualified white guy over a qualified black guy because of this. Is it racism?

Not the same as liking an athlete in part because of race or finding the look of a race more attractive than another. If I find Asian women hotter than any other race it doesn't mean any particular woman who is not Asian isn't hot.

 

[trevols81]

It really seems to. It was interesting, I ran a quick google search for the term "White Pride," and all the results were from white supremacy groups. It almost seems as they have taken the term and even idea of "White Pride," and perverted it for their own controversial agendas.

I do note when white folks do want to take pride in something they do it based more on nationality which is great!

I suppose it may be different for black Americans because it seems a bit more difficult to track family and national ties over the years. So much so that it is easier to track my Scottish roots from my ancestors owners than any particular African nation.

The term seems to have been hijacked by extremists.

I'm a mutt but I am labeled a caucasion. I'm a 4th generation American on my mother's side and not sure about my father's side. It is muddled. I take pride in all the countries of my descendants(England, German, Ireland, and Scotland are dominate). But, mostly my pride comes from my immediate family. Every generation has raised the bar, so to speak. Being "white" has nothing to do with my pride.

 

[Nerd-Vol]

Try this example:

Bob doesn't dislike black people, he just likes white people more. Whenever he has to hire a new employee, he hires a qualified white guy over a qualified black guy because of this. Is it racism?

That is racism on it's face because he is using that in his hiring decisions and is hiring based simply on race. The hypothetical you have crafted however is a clear cut example and can be defined as racism easily.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Why should pride be a color (e.g. black or white)? I've never thought about it in those terms at all. From a pure pride perspective, I'm proud when I accomplish things that were difficult... I'm proud of my family (at least some of them)... I'm proud (most of the time) of our military and those who volunteer... and I'm proud of people in general when they exceed expectations (regardless of color).

On the other hand, I'm not necessarily proud of Obama for becoming President. Given his education I don't see that he really overcame a major barrier. However, I am proud of our country that we were able to look beyond color and elect Obama President (even though I didn't vote for him). I will be just as proud when we elect our first female president. Pride should not be a color, a race, or a gender, but rather pride should come when we're all able to celebrate accomplishments irrespective of color, race or gender.

 

[trevols81]

alot like top thrill dragster...4 second launch. 5 second hang time. 6 second decent. and done.

but the point is white pride is not allowed in this country because the liberals have made everyone think you should feel dirty for being white.

Self deprecating humor is funny. Well done.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Try this example:

Bob doesn't dislike black people, he just likes white people more. Whenever he has to hire a new employee, he hires a qualified white guy over a qualified black guy because of this. Is it racism?

Quite possibly, but if he is selling snow mobiles to snow bunnies, it may be the best business decision.
Every situation and all factors need to be addressed. Blanket statements saying you are racist if you consider race are wrong.

 

[Volz4lif3]

I've seen kids crying because they wanted to get out but were afraid to go after success because they felt guilty. It's why I didn't last long coaching and teaching there. I let too many parents and coaches know what was up and most didn't like what I had to say.

But the kids need someone to help them and show them there is more out there instead of this, thats why the cycle continues. The kids have the opportunities just need the support of someone positive.

 

[RespectTradition]

Not the same as liking an athlete in part because of race or finding the look of a race more attractive than another. If I find Asian women hotter than any other race it doesn't mean any particular woman who is not Asian isn't hot.

I think the distinction you are drawing is too fine for someone with astigmatism as bad as mine.

I guess I just view it differently. I tend to see people as individuals and not as members of groups.

 

[trevols81]

Try this example:

Bob doesn't dislike black people, he just likes white people more. Whenever he has to hire a new employee, he hires a qualified white guy over a qualified black guy because of this. Is it racism?

Yes. Favoritism for one skin tone over another is racist.

 

[Volz4lif3]

I think everyone is racist at one point in life..

 

[RespectTradition]

That is racism on it's face because he is using that in his hiring decisions and is hiring based simply on race. The hypothetical you have crafted however is a clear cut example and can be defined as racism easily.

Just curious, how do you define racism?

 

[volinbham]

I think the distinction you are drawing is too fine for someone with astigmatism as bad as mine.

I guess I just view it differently. I tend to see people as individuals and not as members of groups.

Who doesn't? If I get a chance to meet or know someone I see them as individuals.

Are you saying you have no preferences on race, weight, height, education, etc.?

Having preference or finding a common link even if it happens to be race connected is not what is meant by racism IMO

 

[trevols81]

FU nig...j/k. Gots no prob with all skinned brothers. I'm an old white fk and dont have a prob with race. You a dirty white or black boy. if you are trash you are a ****** to me,

Wow. I like your point but the delivery could be toned down. #pcpolice