White supremacist mows down mosque in NZ

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Weezer said:
And you know 100% of our Armed Forces would side with government how? Soldiers do still carry weapons into battle, right?
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You seem to be importing the idea that in any uprising those from the army would bring over military grade weapons. That's not the same as arguing whether some redneck can repel the government with his ar-15.
 
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#878
evillawyer said:
The resistance in Afghanistan had a lot more than you could get at Dick's sporting goods.
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They’re mainly relying on rifles. And for the most part semi auto is more effective than automatic fire. But the majority of their restance is from the use of rifles and homemade explosives.

But I agree with you. We should be able to get more from our local gun stores.
 
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evillawyer said:
Because my right to go on living trumps your right to play Rambo
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And what if your right to go on living depended on someone playing Rambo? You don't have to like guns. You don't have to own guns. That doesn't mean you should be able to tell people they can't have guns. It's no different than religion or politics or anything else that relies on personal choice. Someone owning guns doesn't infringe your personal rights.
 
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evillawyer said:
You seem to be importing the idea that in any uprising those from the army would bring over military grade weapons. That's not the same as arguing whether some redneck can repel the government with his ar-15.
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In a true revolution, we have no idea what would happen, but the fact remains, the Second Amendment allows for the right to bear arms.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re confusing two things. I assume it’s because you don’t understand rights. But let’s play this dumb game.

Should anything I could possibly kill you with be regulated or removed from society? Knives, fists, rocks, 2x4, lead pipe, candle sticks, frying pans?

I mean, what’s greater my right to use cast iron to fry my bacon or your right to life?
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Any right you have to self-defense is not fundamental. What supports or underlies that right is a more fundamental right to go on living or not be killed. You have a right to self defense because you have a right to go on living. But if, in order to protect that right to self-defense, you introduce some mechanism that has the effect of killing more people than it saves, my (and everyone else's) right to go on living would trump your right to have a gun.
 
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Weezer said:
And what if your right to go on living depended on someone playing Rambo? You don't have to like guns. You don't have to own guns. That doesn't mean you should be able to tell people they can't have guns. It's no different than religion or politics or anything else that relies on personal choice. Someone owning guns doesn't infringe your personal rights.
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Mere ownership doesn't infringe my rights. But you're not arguing for mere ownership. You wanna be able to use the gun too, right?
 
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Weezer said:
In a true revolution, we have no idea what would happen, but the fact remains, the Second Amendment allows for the right to bear arms.
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There's plenty of room within 2A for laws regulating the purchase and use of arms.
 
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evillawyer said:
Any right you have to self-defense is not fundamental. What supports or underlies that right is a more fundamental right to go on living or not be killed. You have a right to self defense because you have a right to go on living. But if, in order to protect that right to self-defense, you introduce some mechanism that has the effect of killing more people than it saves, my (and everyone else's) right to go on living would trump your right to have a gun.
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And how do you know the actual balance between lives saved and lives taken a gun provides? The answer is the same it's always been. It's not the gun, it's the person holding the gun that matters.
 
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evillawyer said:
Because my right to go on living trumps your right to play Rambo
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We was the last time somebody took your right to live away from you ? But you want to take my right to own a fire arm away from me “ just in case “ somebody might try to take your right ? We are both given the right to protect ourselves you don’t try and punish me just because you don’t want your right .
 
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evillawyer said:
Any right you have to self-defense is not fundamental. What supports or underlies that right is a more fundamental right to go on living or not be killed. You have a right to self defense because you have a right to go on living. But if, in order to protect that right to self-defense, you introduce some mechanism that has the effect of killing more people than it saves, my (and everyone else's) right to go on living would trump your right to have a gun.
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So you assume guns kill more lives then they save, is that correct?
 
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evillawyer said:
Because my right to go on living trumps your right to play Rambo
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Then go on living lady. I’m a law abiding citizen and I am no threat to you regardless of what your baseless fear instincts tell you. The people you have to worry about aren’t going to pay attention to your silly ass gun control legislation anyway. We all already know that.
 
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evillawyer said:
Any right you have to self-defense is not fundamental. What supports or underlies that right is a more fundamental right to go on living or not be killed. You have a right to self defense because you have a right to go on living. But if, in order to protect that right to self-defense, you introduce some mechanism that has the effect of killing more people than it saves, my (and everyone else's) right to go on living would trump your right to have a gun.
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Choices it’s all about those choices , a right is a right period . You make the choice to try and take what I have , my things , my health , my families things , my families health and I’ll excerise my right and prove yours does not trump mine . Very simple concept to follow .
 
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evillawyer said:
Mere ownership doesn't infringe my rights. But you're not arguing for mere ownership. You wanna be able to use the gun too, right?
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How many of the guns legally owned in the United States do you think are used illegally? Put a percentage on it. How many lawful gun owners are going out and shooting people?
 
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0nelilreb said:
Choices it’s all about those choices , a right is a right period . You make the choice to try and take what I have , my thinks , my health , my families things , my families health and I’ll excerise my right and prove yours does not trump mine . Very simple concept to follow .
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I'm making a philosophical point that there is something more fundamental that explains why we have a right to self defense. That is the right to go on living. I have the right to defend myself BECAUSE I have the right to go on living.
 
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#897
I love the argument of "we need less guns" and then that same twat turns around and says "yOu ThInK wE wOuLd HaVe A cHaNcE aGaInSt ThE mIliTaRy In A rEvOlUtIoN wItH tHe WeApOnS tHeY hAvE?!?"

Amazing. Can lead a horse to water...
 
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evillawyer said:
I'm making a philosophical point that there is something more fundamental that explains why we have a right to self defense. That is the right to go on living. I have the right to defend myself BECAUSE I have the right to go on living.
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No you’re making your dumbass false equilavency again. We both have a right to defend our lives. And me owning firearms in no way infringes in your right to life or to defend you life regardless of how you claim it to be so. You’re the one that has to prove your case counselor* and you are no where near doing so!




* not a real lawyer.
 
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0nelilreb said:
We was the last time somebody took your right to live away from you ? But you want to take my right to own a fire arm away from me “ just in case “ somebody might try to take your right ? We are both given the right to protect ourselves you don’t try and punish me just because you don’t want your right .
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No one is attempting to take your right to own a fire arm away from you, only regulate the purchase and use. BIG DIFFERENCE
 
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