Who controls the House GOP?

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#26
Vol Mania 21 said:
fine with me. killing children is unacceptable
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I am not pro-abortion. But the impression I get is that the anti-abortion side wants a woman that is too poor to support a child to have said child but then doesn't want to help feed, house, educate, or provide affordable healtcare to the kid. This in effect could also lead to the child's death.
 
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They could easily reach 60 billion in cuts if both sides agreed to end ethanol, oil, and gas subsides.
 
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CSVol said:
I am not pro-abortion. But the impression I get is that the anti-abortion side wants a woman that is too poor to support a child to have said child but then doesn't want to help feed, house, educate, or provide affordable healtcare to the kid. This in effect could also lead to the child's death.
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simple solution my friend, it's called adoption. maybe the majority of these people need to think before they hop in the sack
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
simple solution my friend, it's called adoption. maybe the majority of these people need to think before they hop in the sack
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Where will the money for overflowing adoption agencies come from? Then, when the kids don't get adopted most of them end up on the streets replicating what put them in the adoption agency anyways.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
simple solution my friend, it's called adoption. maybe the majority of these people need to think before they hop in the sack
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Yeah, I see plenty of white familes with their adopted minority children at church every week.
 
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so you have no problem with the killing of children, but i bet if that was an animal that was being tortured some people on here would freak out. don't worry its only a human life, animals are way more important.
 
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Abortion is a good economic boon, sad to say. Numbers don't lie, most abortion cases would end up on the government dime.
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#38
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Vol Mania 21 said:
so you have no problem with the killing of children, but i bet if that was an animal that was being tortured some people on here would freak out. don't worry its only a human life, animals are way more important.
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Please show any examples of me supporting killing children. I don't condone animal abuse either.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Right-wing, Christian fundamentalist ideology on social policy.
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and you see this through eliminating funding for npr and planned parenthood? we can't have a debate about what the govt should and should not be paying for withouth you pulling out that card?
 
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CSVol said:
Please show any examples of me supporting killing children. I don't condone animal abuse either.
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you seem to be making the point that abortion is a good avenue for minorities who can't take care of their own.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
you seem to be making the point that abortion is a good avenue for minorities who can't take care of their own.
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You seem to be making the point that out-lawing abortion would somehow be better for our gov'ts budget crisis.
 
#43
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CSVol said:
You seem to be making the point that out-lawing abortion would somehow be better for our gov'ts budget crisis.
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actually not blowing money on a lot of ridiculous programs such as abortion would be better for the budget crisis
 
#44
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When it comes to the money its more like a mind set that needs to be reversed. If I screw up, someone else will fix it/take care of me. In other words I have nothing to lose by having no personal responsibility for myself.
 
#46
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droski said:
and you see this through eliminating funding for npr and planned parenthood? we can't have a debate about what the govt should and should not be paying for withouth you pulling out that card?
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Well, that made me laugh, because it is not I who has trotted out the moral majority card.

I agree that you can talk about funding to Planned Parenthood in budget talks. But you seem to (mistakenly) think that is the end of it. There's actual policy riders in there about abortion, generally, and also about in D.C., in particular.

Plus, that funding is, if I heard correctly last night, something on the order of $300 million. The Republicans pretending that cutting that is a critical component of reeling in out of control spending, such that government shut down is the alternative, is a joke.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well, that made me laugh, because it is not I who has trotted out the moral majority card.

I agree that you can talk about funding to Planned Parenthood in budget talks. But you seem to (mistakenly) think that is the end of it. There's actual policy riders in there about abortion, generally, and also about in D.C., in particular.

Plus, that funding is, if I heard correctly last night, something on the order of $300 million. The Republicans pretending that cutting that is a critical component of reeling in out of control spending, such that government shut down is the alternative, is a joke.
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i don't get the conspiracy theory stuff. it seems to you that you care more about the perceived motivation rather than the actual issues. if you think these things shouldn't be cut debate that. all you are doing is clouding the issue with garbage.

and i'd love a quote where any republican has said it's a "critical" component of budget reduction. thanks much.
 
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#48
Interesting that Dems:

1) refer to PP as Title 10. They can't say PP for some reason
2) are refusing to even consider a bill that keeps the govt. funded for a week and the military for the rest of the year

3) continue tactics like Reps WANT to deny health care to women and WANT to shut down the government.

I'm watching the Senate debate now and it's like adults and children. Harry Reid told some story about his grand daughter and how this budget might result in her not getting her blood pressure checked :blink:
 
#49
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droski said:
i don't get the conspiracy theory stuff. it seems to you that you care more about the perceived motivation rather than the actual issues. if you think these things shouldn't be cut debate that. all you are doing is clouding the issue with garbage.

and i'd love a quote where any republican has said it's a "critical" component of budget reduction. thanks much.
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Well, considering that the Dems have caved on all of the proposed spending cuts, save that one, and its corollary rider, what's left?

They want the budge bill to be printed on light blue paper and the GOP wants it on red?


volinbham said:
Interesting that Dems:

1) refer to PP as Title 10. They can't say PP for some reason
2) are refusing to even consider a bill that keeps the govt. funded for a week and the military for the rest of the year

3) continue tactics like Reps WANT to deny health care to women and WANT to shut down the government.

I'm watching the Senate debate now and it's like adults and children. Harry Reid told some story about his grand daughter and how this budget might result in her not getting her blood pressure checked :blink:
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1) I agree they should just say PP. The Title 10 thing is being used as a euphemism.

2) The stop gap CR isn't as simple as you make it out to be. It has $12 billion in cuts within it. The Dems would be mighty foolish to let the House GOP just keep rolling out CR after CR and use that to nibble away. I don't blame them at all for not falling into that obvious trap.

3) Not all GOP want the shut down. But some openly call for it. The TPers and their supporters flat out say its our way or the highway.
 
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#50
even if i agree the democrats have caved on everything (which is absurd of course) i'm still failing to see what this has to do with YOU and your posts on this messageboard. since the democrats have agreed with it you have to as well?
 
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