Who controls the House GOP?

#51
#51
lawgator1 said:
Well, considering that the Dems have caved on all of the proposed spending cuts, save that one, and its corollary rider, what's left?

They want the budge bill to be printed on light blue paper and the GOP wants it on red?





1) I agree they should just say PP. The Title 10 thing is being used as a euphemism.

2) The stop gap CR isn't as simple as you make it out to be. It has $12 billion in cuts within it. The Dems would be mighty foolish to let the House GOP just keep rolling out CR after CR and use that to nibble away. I don't blame them at all for not falling into that obvious trap.

3) Not all GOP want the shut down. But some openly call for it. The TPers and their supporters flat out say its our way or the highway.
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on 2) - the $12 billion are cuts that have already been agreed to and part of the larger bill. Nothing new in there that hasn't been agreed to. What you are saying is the Dems shouldn't allow the Rs to gain a political victory?

I agree that's what's stopping the Dems. So on #3 you see that Dems are wanting the shutdown so they can blame Republicans.

It's absurd. Schumer just said "Republicans, please don't shut down the government". There's an easy solution for Chuck - vote for the House bill to keep things going for a week and the govt. doesn't shut down.

Bottomline, both sides are playing for political advantage more than for real solutions.
 
#52
#52
droski said:
even if i agree the democrats have caved on everything (which is absurd of course) i'm still failing to see what this has to do with YOU and your posts on this messageboard. since the democrats have agreed with it you have to as well?
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My OP was about how Boehner is unable to strike a deal on behalf of the GOP on the issue of the budget because the party has been hijacked by a combination of absolutists on spending (balanced budget, or else) and conservative ideologues who see the budget as an opportunity to advance a social policy agenda.

So Boehner is getting it from all sides. A vocal few who advocate government shutdown as a way to bring the fiscal issue to a head, a large number who (rightly) see this as killing them politically and who want to get this done and move on to the larger debate, and a powerful third group that is using the entire debate as a platform to promote conservative ideology on social policy.

Boehner can't afford to anger any one of those constituencies. He'll be labeled a sell out as soon as he does.
 
#54
#54
volinbham said:
on 2) - the $12 billion are cuts that have already been agreed to and part of the larger bill. Nothing new in there that hasn't been agreed to. What you are saying is the Dems shouldn't allow the Rs to gain a political victory?
I agree that's what's stopping the Dems. So on #3 you see that Dems are wanting the shutdown so they can blame Republicans.

It's absurd. Schumer just said "Republicans, please don't shut down the government". There's an easy solution for Chuck - vote for the House bill to keep things going for a week and the govt. doesn't shut down.

Bottomline, both sides are playing for political advantage more than for real solutions.
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No, I'm saying its fake. If the Dems keep letting them have CR after CR with cuts here and there, pretty soon the GOP has all the cuts everyone agreed to, and the Dems have nothing in return.

People act like the House going to the GOP should control this. But they forget that the Dems hold the Senate and the White House. The GOP simply cannot stomp its feet like a 5 year old and get its way -- though this is what they are trying to do right now.

Boehner is herding cats, it would appear.
 
#55
#55
The only place Boehner is getting it is from a relentless Dem strategy to portray the TP as extreme and him being caught in the middle.

It is a highly cynical ploy to prevent future TP wins and to posture for the next budget battle which will be real.

So the Dems can rail about extremists wanting to shut down the govt but in reality they are playing pure politics to protect their future
 
#56
#56
this isn't killing the GOP. The Dems had a chance to pass one but chose not to because of elections. The more money cut the better and if the Dems want to stand in the way of what got the GOP elected then let them try it. People are hopefully waking up to the fact the left does not have America's best interest at heart.
 
#57
#57
In a perfect world they cease the social agenda crap and cut 30% out of Welfare and DoD.
 
#60
#60
lawgator1 said:
No, I'm saying its fake. If the Dems keep letting them have CR after CR with cuts here and there, pretty soon the GOP has all the cuts everyone agreed to, and the Dems have nothing in return.

People act like the House going to the GOP should control this. But they forget that the Dems hold the Senate and the White House. The GOP simply cannot stomp its feet like a 5 year old and get its way -- though this is what they are trying to do right now.

Boehner is herding cats, it would appear.
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It's not fake - it moves things along. If PP is the only sticking point then Dems should be fine with the CRs since they claim they've already agreed to the $ cuts whether in one big chunk or bit by bit.

Your explanation firmly demonstrates that Dems are holding this up - they may not get what they want so they refuse the bill on the table and hence shut down the govt.

It's also laughable to suggest that Boehner has fractures but that the Dems are completely unified.
 
#61
#61
utvolpj said:
this isn't killing the GOP. The Dems had a chance to pass one but chose not to because of elections. The more money cut the better and if the Dems want to stand in the way of what got the GOP elected then let them try it. People are hopefully waking up to the fact the left does not have America's best interest at heart.
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Not only did they have a chance then. They also have a chance now. They are punting on both and blaming it on the Republicans.
 
#62
#62
Interesting that the rider of objection is one that Reid and Durbin voted for over 6 times in the past and Obama voted for twice.

Now it is poison. Interesting...
 
#65
#65
John Kerry is straight up losing it.

It's a bit ironic to here Dems call the budget process as incompetent given they decided to avoid it altogether.
 
#66
#66
It's interesting that PP makes a profit every year. Perhaps they do not need some much govt. funding?
 
#67
#67
The other thing that is nuts is that this budget is simply for the remainder of the fiscal year.
 
#68
#68
i've loving the argument that both discretionary spending is an insignificant part of the budget AND cutting this money will have a material effect on the economy and on job creation. not sure how that works exactly.
 
#69
#69
volinbham said:
It's interesting that PP makes a profit every year. Perhaps they do not need some much govt. funding?
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You could probably go through the budget and find a lot of that with multiple subsidized orgainizations.
 
#70
#70
This whole show is disgusting. Nobody outside of Ryan has made any real meaningful proposals.
 
#71
#71
Yep both sides offer up some of the most twisted logic and arguments. It's depressing.
 
#72
#72
rjd970 said:
You could probably go through the budget and find a lot of that with multiple subsidized orgainizations.
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Yep - what it does show too is that until funding is reduced, there is little incentive to improve operations or find other revenue streams. Clearly the organization is capable of surviving with less support from the government.
 
#73
#73
Got to give props to Sen Warner (D-Va). He made his points without ridiculous rhetoric or crazy accusations about those that disagree with him. Wish more would take this approach.
 
#74
#74
LG wanting to talk about the GOP, how bout ole Pelosi saying that the GOP plan is a "War on Women"

Jesse jackson who we all agree is an idiot compares it to the civil war

DNC Facebook event calls for dumping trash at Boehner's house

and more, just check out Drudge
 
#75
#75
Vol Mania 21 said:
LG wanting to talk about the GOP, how bout ole Pelosi saying that the GOP plan is a "War on Women"

Foolish.


Jesse jackson who we all agree is an idiot compares it to the civil war

Absurd.


DNC Facebook event calls for dumping trash at Boehner's house

Not sure what that has to do with the budget.

and more, just check out Drudge

Or GOP-R-Us.com
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