Who Does Michigan Hire?

#76
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TXA&M07 said:
Guys. Y'all know how this plays out. They rumor Miles to Michigan, they throw out other big names that'll never leave the NFL, then they hire some obscure coordinator from a regional school that no one has ever heard of. It's not rocket surgery.

Miles ain't leaving Red Stick and they don't want your coach.
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Are there any up-and-comers from the group of 5 schools that could be considered?
 
#77
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Aesius said:
You suck at reading comprehension. My post wasn't about Butch giving a damn about staying here or "caring" about the future of the program, it was about Hart ponying up the money to keep him here.

Because ultimately, Hart's job could be on the line if Butch bails and he can't find anyone decent to replace him. Butch needs to stay here for 4-5 years minimum, and Hart needs to make sure that happens no matter what offers come along.
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Hart gets a check monthly too doesn't he? He's been burned by coaches enough to recognize the game by now surely. If not he's been stealing $.

Hart doesn't need "Butch Jones". He needs a winner. Now. My reading comp is just fine.

Of course, Hart is a "VFL" too I assume. Sorry for being wrong on the Internet.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Are there any up-and-comers from the group of 5 schools that could be considered?
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To take you back to where you & I want them to be? Not now.

Which sucks. Tennessee should still be a contender in the east. They ALWAYS should be considering the $ thrown at it. I don't know who you can get that can endure the 4 years it'll take. Like I said when Lane left, y'all just got set back nearly a decade.
It sucks. And I hate it for you.
 
#79
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TXA&M07 said:
Hart gets a check monthly too doesn't he? He's been burned by coaches enough to recognize the game by now surely. If not he's been stealing $.

Hart doesn't need "Butch Jones". He needs a winner. Now. My reading comp is just fine.

Of course, Hart is a "VFL" too I assume. Sorry for being wrong on the Internet.
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The only game Hart needs to recognize is that this program desperately needs stability. And what "winner" is going to walk in here and be the 5th coach in 8 years? Sure, the roster is a little better now than it was when Butch took over, but not to the point where a proven coach is going to leave a top job to come to Tennessee.

Best case scenario if Butch leaves is that we get another Butch Jones. A young energetic guy with a good W/L record at a mid-major program.

This all complete speculation right now, so it's almost a pointless conversation. But if Michigan did offer Butch, Hart has to counter. He can't let him walk, even if it's risky to pay a coach who hasn't won much at this program.

You mentioned this program being set back by a decade when Kiffin left. I think we'll be "back" and nationally relevant in 2016, but it could easily be a decade if Butch left and we started all over again with someone else.

This program was very, very close to being left for dead by Dooley. Butch has done so much work behind the scenes and off the field that it's almost unbelievable at this point. At some point he has to start winning games, but I believe that will come in time.
 
#80
#80
Mark Stoops or Butch Jones to Michigan is laughable and premature. Let either of them pull off a 10-win season before being offered that job.
 
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Falcons02 said:
Stoops deserves a ton of credit, and UK has usually been very fan supportive of football even in terrible years... but are you seriously trying to argue it isn't overshadowed by UK Hoops?
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How in the world did you get that I was arguing it isn't overshadowed, when I clearly said in my post it is? I said it's overblown. Compare their football support to other basketball first schools like Indiana, Kansas, and heck even Duke. None of those schools are sniffing the type of support Kentucky football gets.

And like I said comparing it to Vandy isn't the same because they weren't getting 30K to show up for their best 3 year stretch in 100 years.
 
#82
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Considering the investment being made in facilities at UK, I'd say football is getting what was somewhat lacking in the past. Fans have been very supportive in the past.
 
#83
#83
Brother, I've said it a million times, first step for y'all is to take the revolving door out of the coach's office.

With that said, you haven't paid for a winner lately. Butch might stabilize the program, but he's a filler. You're next coach, given he has the same similar system is a guy you can fully have faith in. Butch Jones is your Mike Sherman.

Dooley was supposed to be but frankly Dooley rode his last name in to Knoxville.

Kiffin was the same way except Lane's ego f'd up his overall goal. Lane can coach offense. After that, he's just a douche in a logo shirt praying his dad took his meds.

You want results in KTown, gather up 15 million for a 3 year contract, discontinue your VN account and stop reading the bad press for years 1-2. Hire someone you used to hate and enjoy winning the east when UGA fires Right( which will be dumb), Spurrier retires, & Florida continues to decline because Muschamp hasn't recruited any offense & they're in your current shoes. If you can't beat Vandy in that scenario, then I don't know what to tell you, but lately, they're a rival. Kentucky too.
 
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Those of you that know me won't take offense to what I'm saying. For those of you that don't, trust me. I want Tennessee to be good at football. I just have strong opinions. Carry on.

Nb4 "troll" crap from 2013-14 join dates.
 
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#85
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Aesius said:
Only if everyone else turns them down.

I also don't think Hart will let him leave. He'll overpay Butch to keep him here, IMO.
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Dave Hart would be the one to double the salary of a football coach who hasn't even made a bowl, after letting a basketball coach walk without a fight after a Sweet 16.

Because Dave Hart.
 
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Gramps said:
IIRC, Kiffin had to deal with reduced scholarships at USC after Pete Carroll's departure.
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He would have to deal with reduced scholarships at UF eventually also. Kiffin is gonna Kiffin.

But that's neither here nor there. Do you actually believe Kiffin got out-talented in all of his ugly losses in his last year?
 
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TrueOrange said:
Kiffin had to deal with quite a bit at USC:




He was pretty much hired as their coach to hold everything together after Pete Carroll bolted late in the offseason to the NFL to avoid all the Reggie Bush sanctions that were about to hit the program.
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He was on the staff that gave the improper benefits to Bush and left a school he'd put under investigation to go back to USC. He was USC's 5th or 6th choice as HC, and rumors were that the NCAA took it as an insult that they'd bring Kiffin in as HC while under investigation.

Kiffin is an abject failure as a HC and any program that hires him as HC is basically having unprotected sex with a hooker.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
He was on the staff that gave the improper benefits to Bush and left a school he'd put under investigation to go back to USC. He was USC's 5th or 6th choice as HC, and rumors were that the NCAA took it as an insult that they'd bring Kiffin in as HC while under investigation.

Kiffin is an abject failure as a HC and any program that hires him as HC is basically having unprotected sex with a hooker.
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USC didn't give Reggie Bush improper benefits, a pretty shady guy named Michael Michaels did.
 
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Would James Franklin have gotten the Penn St job if Vandy had a 5-7 season last year ?
 
#93
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Boston Vol said:
USC didn't give Reggie Bush improper benefits, a pretty shady guy named Michael Michaels did.
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My bad. Poorly worded. How about this...

He was on the staff that participated in the LOIC that crippled USC. He headed the staff that brought UT under investigation. The NCAA seems to have taken it as a personal insult that Kiffin, a member of the staff being investigated, was hired as their head coach, to lead the new staff duing and after said NCAA investigation, and to clean up the LOIC.

But I'll ask again to stay at the root of the discussion: Does anyone here think that USC was out-talented in Kiffin's final campaign at USC? And if so, how was it immediately fixed when Orgeron took over?
 
#94
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Would not be surprised by a run at Harbaugh. Not sure Les would go but wouldn't be surprised by another run at him. He is 60 so the window there is starting to come to a close. Harbaugh is only 50.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Why do some people keep thinking Miles or Butch will go to Michigan? I guess it's the same people who actually thought Saban would go to Texas :eek:lol::eek:lol:
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Yep. HCs don't usually voluntarily leave the SEC to go to other conferences unless the team they're leaving is Vandy.
 
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On Scout.com UM ranks 29th in recruiting - UT 3rd --- why would CBJ leave for that garbage team
 
#97
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TXA&M07 said:
Those of you that know me won't take offense to what I'm saying. For those of you that don't, trust me. I want Tennessee to be good at football. I just have strong opinions. Carry on.

Nb4 "troll" crap from 2013-14 join dates.
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For a team that chose
Jackie Sherrill.......Probation
RC Slocum..Had a few good years in the early 90s DennisFranchione...nothing needs to be said
Mike Sherman.........pretty mediocre hire, nothing shattering unless Holliday Bowl wins are good
Kevin Sumlin....rode the coat tail of a very good college
quarter back jury is still out, might just be
a one hit wonder
sorry not buying in
 
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Aesius said:
The only game Hart needs to recognize is that this program desperately needs stability. And what "winner" is going to walk in here and be the 5th coach in 8 years? Sure, the roster is a little better now than it was when Butch took over, but not to the point where a proven coach is going to leave a top job to come to Tennessee.

Best case scenario if Butch leaves is that we get another Butch Jones. A young energetic guy with a good W/L record at a mid-major program.

This all complete speculation right now, so it's almost a pointless conversation. But if Michigan did offer Butch, Hart has to counter. He can't let him walk, even if it's risky to pay a coach who hasn't won much at this program.

You mentioned this program being set back by a decade when Kiffin left. I think we'll be "back" and nationally relevant in 2016, but it could easily be a decade if Butch left and we started all over again with someone else.

This program was very, very close to being left for dead by Dooley. Butch has done so much work behind the scenes and off the field that it's almost unbelievable at this point. At some point he has to start winning games, but I believe that will come in time.
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I don't know that we will ever win big with Butch, but you are dead on about the stability issue. Him leaving for Michigan will set this program back....again. I also agree that as of right now Butch can't be high on their list. He hasn't won here.

I imagine he would be very open to leaving though, whether it be to MI or another program. The honeymoon is over, and I think he's beginning to realize the pressure cooker that is the SEC, especially TN. It's hard to coach here.
 
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