Who Does Michigan Hire?

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I'm not sure why either side would want the other. Michigan isn't going to satisfy their fanbase hiring Jones and unless Jones just secretly has really, really wanted to coach at Michigan, he would basically be starting another major rebuilding job at another school.
 
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wilrob75 said:
I don't know that we will ever win big with Butch, but you are dead on about the stability issue. Him leaving for Michigan will set this program back....again. I also agree that as of right now Butch can't be high on their list. He hasn't won here.

I imagine he would be very open to leaving though, whether it be to MI or another program. The honeymoon is over, and I think he's beginning to realize the pressure cooker that is the SEC, especially TN. It's hard to coach here.
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I don't agree the honeymoon is over. If we make a bowl this year, then people will be as excited as ever.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I'm not sure why either side would want the other. Michigan isn't going to satisfy their fanbase hiring Jones and unless Jones just secretly has really, really wanted to coach at Michigan, he would basically be starting another major rebuilding job at another school.
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Hoke's recruiting classes have been 21, 7, 5 and 31 and is currently 42. Last year's class was only low because it was a small class (16 signees) and this years only has 9 commits (7 of which are 4*). There would be very minimal rebuilding at UM, the talent is there it just needs to be coached up.
 
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508mikey said:
On Scout.com UM ranks 29th in recruiting - UT 3rd --- why would CBJ leave for that garbage team
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For arguments sake, because he would have an easier road at a bcs bowl and career longevity and stability. They won't play a top 5 schedule each year and have to knock off 4-5 top 10 teams to get to a championship run. Just Mich st and Ohio st.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Sure it is. Easier competition, better in-state talent, and a filthy rich athletic department.
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The instate recruiting isn't that much better. Tennessee is far superior for regional recruiting. Tennessee is improving yearly on a national level with regards to talent produced. Michigan is on the decline. Cowherd did a great piece about the decline of big 10 recruiting being driven by the economic problems of states like Michigan.
 
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If North Carolina goes down, Tennessee's recruiting will see a massive upswing in the future, especially under Jones. That state will basically be Tennessee East.
 
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I'm not sure Michigan would have interest but I would have to think Kiffin will be in some conversations regarding some of these head coaching hires. I think he's a cancer but somebody will pull the trigger. I just don't see the whole Saban/Kiffin thing working out for very long.
 
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I know a name that won't be on their list...Charlie Weiss!!

I think they look into Mullen, Kirby Smart, Justin wilcox, Briles or Gundy. He should look at the Stoops brothers both the one at OU and KY.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Sure it is. Easier competition, better in-state talent, and a filthy rich athletic department.
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They can afford Harbaugh - and remember he took Stanford from a doormat to a winning program every season - He can turn it around faster than anyone IMO
 
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508mikey said:
They can afford Harbaugh - and remember he took Stanford from a doormat to a winning program every season - He can turn it around faster than anyone IMO
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Harbaugh was 4-8, 5-7 in his first two years at Stanford. Good thing he didn't come to Tennessee. To hear some of our idiotic fans, he would have been fired after his first year. Michigan is at least a 3-4 year turnaround if all the right pieces fall into place. They are a pathetic team in a pathetic conference and in a pathetic state. It's amazing how far they have fallen.
 
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Where has Deerpark been ? I would like to hear his take on the UM rumors about CBJ and not the twitter crap
 
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roddo518 said:
Harbaugh was 4-8, 5-7 in his first two years at Stanford. Good thing he didn't come to Tennessee. To hear some of our idiotic fans, he would have been fired after his first year. Michigan is at least a 3-4 year turnaround if all the right pieces fall into place. They are a pathetic team in a pathetic conference and in a pathetic state. It's amazing how far they have fallen.
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Stanford was 1-11 in a ****tier conference the season before he got there. That's a dumpster fire. You might want to recognize the differences in the two situations before trying to be a smartass.

And Michigan has outrecruited UT over the last 3 years if you're averaging classes. They basically have two top 5 classes out of their last 3. I'm not sure where everyone is getting this "they're a dumpster fire" mentality from. The talent on paper there rivals anyone in the country, they just havent been coached up. The only way it's a rebuild would be due to the changing of system/scheme.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Stanford was 1-11 in a ****tier conference the season before he got there. That's a dumpster fire. You might want to recognize the differences in the two situations before trying to be a smartass.

And Michigan has outrecruited UT over the last 3 years if you're averaging classes. They basically have two top 5 classes out of their last 3. I'm not sure where everyone is getting this "they're a dumpster fire" mentality from. The talent on paper there rivals anyone in the country, they just havent been coached up. The only way it's a rebuild would be due to the changing of system/scheme.
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What was the smartass part? Are you saying we were in a great place when CBJ got the job? So, it's harder to rebuild in the pac 10? Michigan is losing to doormats with all that talent you speak of. I've watched a few minutes of some of their games, I'd rather watch utm.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
For arguments sake, because he would have an easier road at a bcs bowl and career longevity and stability. They won't play a top 5 schedule each year and have to knock off 4-5 top 10 teams to get to a championship run. Just Mich st and Ohio st.
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Solid point.
 
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Kiffin won't go to Michigan. Layla hated the weather here. You think she would like being around the Great Lakes being neighbors to Canada? Kiffin will wait for another southern or western job to open. I could see Mason getting blown out in another year or 2 And Lane going to Vanderbilt. He basically is a white James Franklin anyways. Lol
 
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roddo518 said:
What was the smartass part? Are you saying we were in a great place when CBJ got the job? So, it's harder to rebuild in the pac 10? Michigan is losing to doormats with all that talent you speak of. I've watched a few minutes of some of their games, I'd rather watch utm.
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Saying that UT fans would've called for Harbaughs head for only winning 5 games was a smartass comment. If he was winning 5 games only 2 years removed from a 1 win season at Stanford then he wouldn't have only been winning 5 games here. I have very little doubt that 2 years removed from a 5-7 UT season he's easily winning 7 games here.

I'm not saying we were in a great place when Butch arrived but I have zero doubt we were in a better position than Stanford was when Harbaugh arrived. And it's always harder to build a Stanford up no matter what P5 conference they're in then it is UT. They're competing for recruits in the same state as USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon and the rest of the country with the added burden of strict admission requirements and strenuous coursework. I highlighted the "weakness" of the Pac-12 to emphasize how bad of a state Stanford was in when Harbaugh got there. They were so bad they couldn't even compete in a weaker conference.

All this talent I speak of is not being developed, that's the whole point. Hoke should not be losing to the likes of Minnesota and Rutgers. Michigan is a poorly coached team and has a Rich Rod QB trying to run a Hoke and Nussmeier Pro Style offense. Apparently you don't attribute much to the coaching side of player development and simply say a team has no talent. If it was nothing but talent then coaches could spend all year recruiting and let the team practice and play the games on their own.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Saying that UT fans would've called for Harbaughs head for only winning 5 games was a smartass comment. If he was winning 5 games only 2 years removed from a 1 win season at Stanford then he wouldn't have only been winning 5 games here. I have very little doubt that 2 years removed from a 5-7 UT season he's easily winning 7 games here.

I'm not saying we were in a great place when Butch arrived but I have zero doubt we were in a better position than Stanford was when Harbaugh arrived. And it's always harder to build a Stanford up no matter what P5 conference they're in then it is UT. They're competing for recruits in the same state as USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon and the rest of the country with the added burden of strict admission requirements and strenuous coursework.

All this talent I speak of is not being developed, that's the whole point. Hoke should not be losing to the likes of Minnesota and Rutgers. Michigan is a poorly coached team and has a Rich Rod QB trying to run a Hoke and Nussmeier Pro Style offense. Apparently you don't attribute much to the coaching side of player development and simply say a team has no talent. If it was nothing but talent then coaches could spend all year recruiting and let the team practice and play the games on their own.
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It's amazing how you totally skipped over that 4-8 record part. Some of our fans want to fire Butch now. Do you really think they would have said ok to 4-8 his first year here, something that has never been done at UT? I don't really give a crap whether Michigan falls off the map. My post was a reply to the post saying harbaugh always had winning seasons at Stanford. That He is the quickest rebuilder of a program around. I think not. I was pointing out the first two seasons and how his rebuild took 3 years to get them to 8 wins. Something that some on here would not have the patience for if it were up to them. thank goodness it is not.
Btw, the pac is a much tougher conference than the big ten is now.
 
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roddo518 said:
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It's amazing how you totally skipped over that 4-8 record part. Some of our fans want to fire Butch now. Do you really think they would have said ok to 4-8 his first year here, something that has never been done at UT? I don't really give a crap whether Michigan falls off the map. My post was a reply to the post saying harbaugh always had winning seasons at Stanford. That He is the quickest rebuilder of a program around. I think not. I was pointing out the first two seasons and how his rebuild took 3 years to get them to 8 wins. Something that some on here would not have the patience for if it were up to them. thank goodness it is not.
Btw, the pac is a much tougher conference than the big ten is now.
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First off, I didn't mention his 4-8 season because we've never had a 4-8 season and wouldn't under Harbaugh. His 5-7 season is relevant from a record standpoint cause that's where we're at for the last 3 seasons.

Secondly, Harbaugh went 4-8 and upset #1 USC, who was a 41pt favorite, his 1st yr at a program that was 1-11 the year before (talk to me when Butch upsets the #1 team his 1st season). In what universe would you think he'd go 4-8 at UT coming off of Dooley's 5-7 season? If he grew Stanford's win total by 7 in only 3 yrs he's potentially winning 9-10 in year 3 at UT. He would not have been inheriting nearly as bad of a situation here as he did there.

None of this is to suggest we ever had a shot at Harbaugh so it's all fictional, but if you think he comes in here and has the same results his first 2 yrs (record wise) as he did at Stanford then I might as well debate my hotel pillow cause it would have more sense than that.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
Kiffin won't go to Michigan. Layla hated the weather here. You think she would like being around the Great Lakes being neighbors to Canada? Kiffin will wait for another southern or western job to open. I could see Mason getting blown out in another year or 2 And Lane going to Vanderbilt. He basically is a white James Franklin anyways. Lol
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